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All joking aside (although I was really not), of course Hogan had incredible presence and charisma, it seems idiotic to even have to point it out. He was a huge star in Japan before the WWF. I did think the Warrior was just as over at Mania 8 though.

Hogan #75 is a complete joke. Worst pendulum effect symptom thus far. He was a decent worker at best. The Hulk-up no-selling is the most idiotic and annoying thing ever. His offense looked like shit (scratching the back of his opponent) and he was a terrible babyface. Plus, I'll say, as a pro-wrestling fan who never cared about Hogan, that most of his 80's fans were stupid american kids blinded by jingoism and triomphant Reaganian model of a society where heroes were steroid induced brain-deads fighting against "evil" foreigners while waving the flag in one hand and the bible in the other. The concept of Hulk Hogan is horrendous, that's why he was so perfect as Hollywood Hogan, because it was him being much closer to the actual truth. Fuck Terry Bolea, I didn't became a fan because of him. I was a Warrior & Savage fan.

Hiroshi Hase was my #42. Anyone who went through New Japan in the 90's understands.

Do you really think so ? I mean, Tito is a WWF guy. It's not like all the major Tito stuff wasn't available for ever. Yes. Who was talking about the Valentine series in 2006? Or the Savage series? Smarkschoice did their poll on WWF matches, and jdw did his tOA series walking through 80s WWF matches. Both contributed to Tito's higher profile. You're right.

Do you really think so ? I mean, Tito is a WWF guy. It's not like all the major Tito stuff wasn't available for ever.

And quite frankly, it is turning into a sad joke.

Rude just missed my top 100. He got dropped in favor of Onita and a bunch of others. I really love his peak,but then again, it's too short to warrant a spot, especially since he fell off a cliff before having to retire. I'm kinda surprised he gets higher than in 2006, but then again, conservative list, the mainstream US guys will do better this time around.

I had Terry Gordy at #75. Still the best Freebird by a wide margin, although Gordy was clearly not at his best yet and facing crappy opposition in Texas. Terrific worker in Japan and in Mid-South. He's above Doc, as he should. Did not rate the Dynamite Kid this time around. Too short of a peak, not as good as the guys emulating him later on (Benoit, Liger). It's not a travesty that he's making the top 100 though.

I like Tito Santana a lot. But him making the top 100 is exactly what I refered to when I said this Top 100 was conservative. Tito is the ultimate formula worker, his idea of a pro-wrestling match is the most basic who can think of. The fact he was so good at it helps a lot, and he's got two excellent feuds in the 80's, Savage & Valentine. Some of the best fire comebacks who can find. Still, he's not a top 100 guy to me, although I can understand why people voted for him (contrary to guys like Piper, Dusty or Hogan for instance). He's also the first guy I saw that was involved in a memorable match, the IC tournament final against Perfect.

Exactly. To give you an exemple, the idea of "let's all watch the same stuff at the same time together so we can have a sense of community" is something I'm actively running away from. I've always been like that, about everything.

That's not what I mean at all by that, I've said many times that this board is probably the best and most fun I've been involved with. It's just that I have a loner mentality.

Because this is the best pro-wrestling board around and I kinda made it my home since I left Smarkchoice sometime in the late 00's (probably following some people I liked, much like when I left Spider Twist for SC a few years before). But that doesn't mean I feel concerned by the constant reference to the DVDVR sets like their results were some kind of gospel or representative of anything to me, for instance.

I think it's important to recognise that lots of people here did care about them, and that they have really helped to form our views on a lot of guys. As well as brought us together as fans. The 90s Yearbooks were too, but I personally missed the boat on them cos I couldn't keep pace. I realise you've been around since the 1990s, and see recent developments either as old hat or trifling matters, but you don't seem to recognise or respect the current make-up of the community. I couldn't care less. I've never been a part of the DVDVR crowd anyway, although I always enjoyed a bunch of them (loved DEAN since the very early DVDVRs). I never cared about the results of these project and it never meant shit to me as far as creating new opinions and consensus. It was always a niche of a niche of a niche. Don't get me wrong, I think those project were terrific in themselves (as are the Yearbooks), but I never needed them to make my own opinions. I'd rather watch shitloads of TV simply because the selection of matches was subjective to begin with. I'm a Marxist from the Groucho type, I don't want to be part of a club that would have me as a member anyway. So there.

With the DVDR 1980s sets coming out during the 10 years after 2006, there was ALWAYS going to be an increase in Flair discussion. Not everyone watched or cared about the fucking DVDVR 80's set either. Flair is the most boring great wrestler at this point. Even talking about Misawa or Toyota seems fresh in comparison. Waiting for Arn to drop BTW, the later the better.

Can we save the fucking Ric Flair discussion for when he shows up ? Seriously now, the fact Flair got the most discussion time for this GWE overall really tarnished the fun of the whole thing. No wonder the lucha/joshi/european/shootsyle guys took a hit if the biggest topic is freaking Ric Flair in 2016. Whatever...

PPV 40 Wait. Is this PPV actually GOOD ?!? With a ratio of good/bad stuff clearly in favor of the good, and nothing that makes you want to throw a brick on the TV (well, computer screen) ? Of course not everything works. David Young vs James Storm was very indierrific and actually I though that Harris looked better doing less complicated stuff in his solo outings. They are still teasing some sort of AMW split BTW. Young is Siaki and Desire’s pet at this point it seems. Brian Lee & Slash vs Sandman & New Jack was more watchable than anything involving the Harris Twins, but still pretty bad. Hey, Justin Credible shows up ! This is really turning into an ECW reunion show at this point. I guess it beats the WCW version. Glad they finally give James Mitchell some promo time though. On the "not bad" front, Kid Kash has a decent match with Mike Sanders, although the fact he’s selling so much really shows he’s not 100%, as he’s got a legit knee injury. But he wasn’t terrible like the previous week, and Sanders worked hard. Kash did a fake apology to Trinity, who did a moonsault. Kash then leaves her behind while she gets ganged up by a bunch of SEX. Kash is a very good sleazeball. Second surprise of the week is Mike Awesome showing up, out of shape and sucking wind. Saturn had to carry the load while Awesome pretty much did his usual spots, only slower and with less intensity. Well, it was ok for a Nitro match I guess, but Awesome really didn’t look like his old self from even his WCW years. Glen Gilberti is keeping on being good on the mic and in the ring, this time having a really solid brawl against AJ Styles. Interesting how he worked well in that style and was actually convincing if you forget he’s the freaking Disco Inferno. Well, AJ rules no matter what, so I guess that helps too. The finish was insane though. Putting Disco over AJ clean ? It's good to be a friend of Russo. D-Lo Brown had his best match yet against Raven, short all action sprint that was extremely well worked. I said it before, Raven really strikes me as better than ever, the bumping, the feeding, the execution. And D-Lo, stupid outfit apart, looks excellent. Dinero & Larree work well as the new stooges, so well that they actually have a fun Clockwork Orange match against Jeff Jarrett at the end of the show. Laree really impresses me by her intensity and bumping, showing absolutely no fear taking bumps into gimmicks. Jeff Jarrett beating unmercifully on a woman, on the other hand, comes off sleazy and cheap. You can say whatever you want about Dreamer, but at least he understood that the shot on Francine or Beulah was efficient if it was one big spot. Here Jarrett just doesn’t care and comes off rather shitty to me. Not exactly a good match, but fun stuff that builds well to the Raven match coming up. And the match of the night, XXX (Skipper & Daniels) vs Jerry Lynn & Amazing Red. Ok, now we’re talking. Excellent match, going all action before they settle down a bit by beating on Red. Daniels is easily the best of the four, as Red sometimes does stuff that are too funky for perfect execution and Lynn kinda rushes through spots at times. Overall, super strong match. Oh, and the masked luchador is clearly Low-ki, it only makes sense that way. Lynn & Red win the titles and have to fight against each other now. Well, at least it’s another very good match on paper. So yeah, some good undercard matches, a super main event and a good angle/brawl setting up the main feud. Solid stuff. Let’s just pretend Eric Watts doesn’t exist. You know Russo is booking this though when he puts Gilberti over Styles and when the main babyface doesn't give a shit about hitting a woman. 2003/04/16 AJ Styles vs Glen Gilberti 2003/04/16 D-Lo Brown vs Raven 2003/04/16 XXX (Skipper & Daniels) vs Jerry Lynn & Amazing Red

If I had it to do again I would still require nominations, but ditch the three match rule and replace it with something more straightforward. More specifically I'd probably just have it where anyone can start a thread at any time on any wrestler without the need for a larger nomination thread, the only catch being that they need to write something about why they are nominating them. I don't care if it's a single sentence or longer (I'd prefer a paragraph in an ideal world), just something saying "this is why I may vote for X." Yes, I agree with this. Sounds pretty much the way to go. Don't just throw out a name, justify it, and there you go.

I'm very surprised Steve Williams did as good as he did atthis point, it seemed a lot of people were down on his AJPW and hated his WCW work. He was my #89 this time around. I had Tajiri at #72. I wonder if I don't overrated him a little bit simply because he was so great in ECW. I don't think his WWE years had much (really, what really good matches did he have over there ?), and I wanted to watch the SMASH stuff but didn't get to. Very interesting career. (more Ric Flair talk already ? want to kill the unveiling thread or what ?)

The knocks of Daniels for working too smooth are ridiculous. There's nothing as too polished. It's what you do with it that matters. Angle was not too polished either, his german suplexes looked like crap because of the flat back bump WWE rule. And his punches looked even worse than The Rock's. But he sure worked too fast, which made stuff sterile at times. Wait, as Angle dropped yet ?

No nomination, no committee, just let people discuss and vote for who the fuck they want, really.

It's too bad there wasn't a master list of nominees. That would have really helped things, especially if it had links. It sure didn't apparently.

Takes a king to know a king !

Hey, I voted for Lawler this time around.

I didn't forget to vote for her. But she wasn't nominated. When there's a sea of nominations, pages of forgotten almost-empty threads, it's easy to not realize someone hasn't been nominated.

So, the entire Portland run was great enough to counter 20 years of supbar in-ring work ? I really have a hard time believing that. Anyway, Piper getting in feels like a post-death tribute a la Dusty at this point. None of these guys (throw in Hogan) were that interesting from bell to bell.