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Taker is much better than Hogan though.

Self-conscious critical wankfest is what's coming.

I guess a bunch of self-conscious Mania epics plus a bunch of truly awful matches were enough to boost Taker into the top 100. Blah.

Hum… Nakamura has dropped already… sorry...

I actually like Toyota's ranking this time around better. She was my #54. I'm glad the other girls are gonna do better. Can we drop Hogan now though ? This is getting absolutely ridiculous now.

What ? Hogan was nominated ? Are you sure about that ?

I've watched a bunch of Tanahashi matches since he got to the top of New Japan, and holy shit, what a great worker. The best Keiji Mutoh ever. He was #34 on my list. Yeah, I voted for both Tanahashi and Nakamura. I stuck in the 90's, I know...

Nominations are useless. You had a hundred threads with most of them getting no discussion at all and tons of joke nominations. Meanwhile, I forgot to nominate Takako Inoue therefore my vote was invalidated and no one talked about her while I'm pretty sure she would have gotten some votes. If Cuty Suzuki made it, it's obvious Takako would have. Anyway... And yeah, anonymous voters should not be allowed.

If the #86 doesn't end up my #86, it's gonna be pretty interesting to me. My #99 and #89 haven't dropped yet, which I'm very surprised about (especially #89 since his stock has dropped a lot I believe). Cesaro & Zayn making it around those slots make sense.

Douglas is ridiculously underrated at this point. Made my top 100.

Yep, I was thinking about using it more often actually so I don't have to use too many words to explain myself. Seems pretty clear to me.

I love Catrina's sexy ass and demonic feel, but Dario Cueto coming back as el patron is so much fun. I love how he made fun of Cage's little catchphrase. Over their two seasons, LU made me a current pro-wrestling fan again. Not a small feat. I'm glad we are assured of a third one.

Come on, The Triple Threat was great.

The funny thing about Onita is that pretty much all the guys coming after him and did garbage stuff totally ignored why Onita was so great at it and why he made a shitload of money : milking and selling. That's why watching the very early Onita FMW matches against martial artists is so revealing of what Onita is all about, because he basically worked the same way then : getting his ass beat, selling like a motherfucker, milking every comebacks like crazy. And then of course you got all the Onita mystic with the post-match crying and promo, which is insane even if you don't understand the language. But really, Onita wasn't about taking insane bump and bleeding like a stuck pig. Well, he was, but that's just a part of it. The main thing is that he milked and sold like a mofo. That's why he made shitload of money while all the garbage idiots (Abyss, looking at you) coming after just destroyed their body for basically nothing because all they got out of Onita was : taking bumps in barbwires. That was just a spectacular choice. Onita was like Takada, a master of epic spectacle.

This one goes for me as well. I draw almost perverse enjoyment out of watching that episode of Thunder with Nash on commentary just before he gets replaced as the booker. You can really pinpoint the moment where Mike Tenay dies a little inside when Nash starts talking about booking himself into angles.Also the entire Hogan/Bischoff period in TNA is hilarious culminating in the Immortal fiasco, which is a candidate for worst NWO ripoff ever. And then Steiner returns and for the following six months everything that comes out of his mouth is absolute comedy gold. Sounds like the TNA Hogan era is something... As far as WCW goes, since you weren't around the board it seems : http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19237-wcws-highway-to-hell/ If you have never seen it and you really want to torture yourself I recommend you give TNA 2010/2011 the same treatment you gave to WCW (awesome thread working my way through it) and currently early TNA. I would argue that it is actully worse than either. I have never seen it, but since I diving into early TNA… never know where I'm going to end up… I don't think you could anyone worse than the end of WCW, as TNA has always been irrelevant while WCW was the legit N°1 at one point, so the fall was a lot more painfull. But yeah, sounds like something I might wanna watch...

Wow. I can't believe I'm actually a low vote on Onita. I've been an Onita fan since I began buying tapes in the late 90's. There was a Best of Onita in the first batch I bought, and I was fascinated by the guy since that point. I slowly grew a deeper appreciation for his work, to the point I really thought he was a very good and smart worker. Now, people calling him a great worker today seems totally like a pendulum effect, but I have nothing against it since I'm an old fan. I'm delighted that I'm a low vote on Onita actually and that he ranked higher than my personnal vote. Maybe the best surprise of this poll.

Great post.

This one goes for me as well. I draw almost perverse enjoyment out of watching that episode of Thunder with Nash on commentary just before he gets replaced as the booker. You can really pinpoint the moment where Mike Tenay dies a little inside when Nash starts talking about booking himself into angles. Also the entire Hogan/Bischoff period in TNA is hilarious culminating in the Immortal fiasco, which is a candidate for worst NWO ripoff ever. And then Steiner returns and for the following six months everything that comes out of his mouth is absolute comedy gold. Sounds like the TNA Hogan era is something... As far as WCW goes, since you weren't around the board it seems : http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19237-wcws-highway-to-hell/

Flair vs Windham smokes any Garvin stuff. Hell, I'd put Windham at his peak above Flair. We know that. Like most things you've posted in this thread, you've been saying it for nearly 15 years. That's such a low-blow.

Flair vs Windham smokes any Garvin stuff. Hell, I'd put Windham at his peak above Flair.

Akiyama was pimped as great in 96.

Not being a native English speaker nor exactly C2 level (which is the highest point you can get on the CECR chart, I wish I was), no, I don't really get it.

What is that even supposed to mean ?

Maybe people are just not convinced by hours and hours of over-reaching after all.

Exactly. But it seems if you don't follow the new consensus, you're either a dick or an idiot. Like with Hayes. I always thought he was underrated, that he was a pretty good worker, that he brought some shit to the table, even back when the consensus was "He's shit." Now I hear that he's better than Gordy, one of the best Texas worker ever etc… Even if my opinion on the guy, which is fairly positive, hasn't changed much, the fact that I say he went from underrated to overrated make it seems like I'm bashing the guy, when I'm really not. Same thing for Flair vs Garvin. I like it quite a bit. I'm perfectly fine with being in a minority. I don't care one bit one way or another. I was in the consensus when I thought Takada was excellent 15 years ago. I like Takada even more today and I'm within an über minority now on this matter.