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Yep. And yep. He was filmed by the belgium TV show Strip-tease (which I never cared for although it has always been critically applauded) in the 90's. That's the only enjoyable thing he was ever part of. Complete bullshiter, total carny (couldn't find a subtitled version, sorry) : http://www.buzzmoica.fr/video/striptease-flesh-gordon-et-les-pompiers-1995-une-video-comedie-et-humour-9500 At some point he talks about doing huge ratings at midnight on TF1, and how the channel wanted to put them at 10.pm, but one (then) very famous soccer announcer said he would quit if wrestling was on TV.

Ah, yeah, Flesh and his topless valets. He also had a godawful look (even for the early 90s) and was a terrible promo. Such a beauf.

Backlund and Micheals also had an IC title match in Paris in 1993, which was released on com tape. Haven't seen it in ages, but I remember liking it.

That invisible man is better than Kane. All joking aside, that's terrific.

The jokes write themselves.

Remind me what LU character played by a worker as shitty as Kane has been on TV for 17 years straight already ? Blue Demon Jr and Chavo are pretty close Chavo is a good worker. And Chavo's LU character is probably the coolest of his career, and was fresh too. And I haven't heard one good thing said about Blue Demon in LU either, everybody seems to agree he was worthless there too. So...

Remind me what LU character played by a worker as shitty as Kane has been on TV for 17 years straight already ?

Couldn't agree more. Yoko = great at small stuffs and certain spots. Never got it together to have really strong matches. Nerve hold sucks (oh, that Lex Luger match at Mania X)

Adonis is one guy that I can say I find repulsive. As in, physically repulsive. And apparently, he was quite a repulsive guy (bully, gross, whatever). Real great mechanic, but as far as a worker goes, jury's out as far as I'l concerned. I'm in between I guess. Oh man, those loooooooong ass tag matches with Murdoch, going nowhere forever. Yeah, I get the feeling. Will rewatch the Backlund stuff at some point.

Yeah, I'll listen to Cortez the Killer over any Bob Dylan classic album, really.

From this thread, it seems like basically, the guys with the most footage should win. At this point really, I take a great Bock match over a great Flair match, and that's what matters to me. Hell, I take a good/very good Bock match over your regular Flair-o-rama.

He was pretty damn dull in New Japan when he toured in 93 or so, last time I checked.

The thing is, people got used to see Bret Hart and Sting use the scorpiondeathlock as a instant finisher, usually only at the very end of the match. There was not much in term of teases (although Bret would do it more in big matches), and the hold was sold as instant death in 95% of the case. So it's kinda hard to adjust to the way Choshu used it in retrospect, but it made a lot of sense. First, that hold was not instant death back then. You could stay in it for a while. It could be the finisher, but not necessarily (and really, not that often because big names would not lose clean in the 80's, and especially not by submissions). Choshu also made it a struggle all the time, usually by having to fight to roll the opponent on his stomach, and usually putting pression on the legs/ankle/knee during the first phase. And then, Choshu used the sasorigatame kinda like Jake would with the DDT in term of teases, it was fitting his sudden offensive style, going for it quickly and as much as he could, at key points during the match. So yeah, very different use than Bret and Sting did later. Once you get used to it, there's really nothing wrong about it at all.

Most probably, in no particular order : Top 3 : Stan Hansen Jumbo Tsuruta Terry Funk Then a mix of : Toshiaki Kawada Nick Bockwinkle Kiyoshi Tamura And : Mitsuharu Misawa Kenta Kobashi …. dunno if I would add any women since I haven't watched joshi in forever, but I guess Aja, Jaguar, Bull or Hokuto could fit the bill too

That is totally her.

You didn't compare all-time great Stan Hansen with all-time shitty RVD, did you ? (yeah, I agree about Brock BTW and feel the same way about his work, and about the "tool" aspect of RVD's work, in more ways than one. Totally disagree about Hansen though, but you already knew that)

The only reason Tenryu did more various thing while Kawada didn't is because All Japan were isolationnists. When Kawada touched something different (like it's been said with Allbright), he was brillant. Tenryu worked everywhere, so of course it appears like he was more varied. I have zero doubt in my mind that Kawada would have had a better match with Onita than Tenryu had in 94. And Tenryu is one of my all-time favourites.

The two worst Armstrong together. Hell no.

Well, she still kinda repeated the "I started the Monday Night Wars" line that was thrown for the HOF… Anyway, I thought the Table for 3 was decent, I would totally have a beer with Madusa (who's cool as shit and has so many stories about Japan to tell) & Mona (who's adorable and has a great laugh). Ivory… well. Can be funny or annoying depending on whether she can stop talking for a minute or two.

Schoolgirl bully never gets old though.

It's been well established by now that Mero got from "green and awful" (from his own account also, as told in his shoot interviews) when he debuted to "quite decent and having good matches regularly" by 95 because he cared about improving. Jealousy is a sad thing. Did he deserve the big garanteed contract ? No. But then again, he's not the first guy who got money because of his looks rather than his ability. Add the fact he was married to the really hot girl and yeah, the boys wouldn't handle that well I guess. Add to the fact he got on TV during the Benoit debacle and was not throwing around WWE's company line, so yeah, he's one of the "bad guys".

Best 10 minutes match ever, still.

Fuck these people. The guy beat up his girlfriend several times, until he beat her to death. Every three days of so, a woman dies because she gets beatten to death. This is bullshit. Fuck these people and fuck Snuka.

:( Hopefully the Queen will win this one also. Fuck that cancer shit. But great that she spoke out. I'm just...

He was a mediocre spot worker with bad promos. The heel turn made everything ten times worse, with the godawful feud with Sting, but he would have been Gangrel in WWF, really.