El-P
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I have batch an eye or two to the documentary. Holy shit, they actually illustrate how "superior storytelling that made sense" was the backbone of the era by showing clips of "It was me all along", Helmsley and Stephy getting married and Big Boss Man dragging Big Show's dad coffin around. How do you say already ? BONG ? -
So, the sharpest thing he ever said was actually Cornette's.
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We need a scorecard for Terry Funk retirements vs Flair marriages. 18 times divorcee !!! Woooo ! To be with the Man, you've got to marry the Man !
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One week before the biggest match in the history of our sport, Flair plays total bitch to Sting, gets no offense in, Sherri disguised as a guy because she was banned from ringside (while Hogan of course can sit right before the ring, what an asshole), Mr. T saves Hogan from a Flair beatdown. Well, didn't take long to turn into complete shitty booking.
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Woooo ! (Will Fifi dare to marry this walking mess ?)
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Agreed. Kobashi should have retired after his one comeback match from cancer. It was a nice moment, should have hang it up then. And FLIK is probably right in that if they leave they will start yet another micro-promotion. Anyway, NOAH looks like a doomed promotion.
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Wait, by whom Shane Douglas has been rated to begin with, in 2012 ? What did he do except work his disastrous Extreme Reunion show ?
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I don't really get your point about Flair not being Flair anymore. Maybe I've seen way too much Nitro era Flair to be bothered. Anyway, good little promo. I can see why you said Sherri didn't exactly fit with Flair though, but since it's the hyperactive Flair version we got there, it's not that odd actually.
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These guy just can't have a bad, or even mediocre, match together. I thought about the Finlay matches too watching this. They seemed to have a ball working together too, it's intense, stiff, technical, fun. One of the best feud of the year hands down.
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This is what WWF should have done back in 1992, obviously. Hogan was too goofy and cartoonish for these kind of settings (ah, remember his totally oversold reaction at the Royal Rumble 92 "press conference"), but Flair is great here. Flair being hyper is nothing new to the character and having him really excited (and anxious, as he's a full fledge heel now) at the idea of fighting Hogan works for me. Hogan comes off unlikable as always when he says Flair has no choice but to sign the paper. Here you go dictator Bollea. Turner is a mark, which is fun to see.
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What if Sting turns instead of Hogan? No way in hell it would have worked as well. I'm not saying it wouldn't have worked and it would have been a huge shock. But Hogan turning had an impact unlike anything in modern wrestling history and I say that without a hint of hyperbole. This. Sting was considered for the job actually, as was Luger. Hogan was just on another level. Plus it fit so well with all his history in WCW and the frustration of the old fans who never quite adopted him and saw him as a WWF guy. In that respect, Hogan turning heel made Sting a much bigger babyface than he ever was before too.
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The thing people seem to forget, although John talked about it earlier, is that the nWo angle didn't need Sting to take off. It needed Hogan. Then the angle became the hottest in the decade with Sting being involved much anymore. The main single matches worked for the first six months were against : Flair, Giant, Savage and Piper. Sure, Sting was over as all hell in 1997, when he wasn't actually working. But DDP was over as all hell too, as was Luger (the pop he gets when he wins the title from Hogan on Nitro is defining). I'm not saying he deserves no credit in the whole thing. He was an important figure in 1997 opposing the nWo. Would the angle have been any less hot without him ? I doubt it honestly. Like Dylan said, there were other foils for the nWo like Flair when he came back, DDP working with Savage, Luger. By 1998, Goldberg had taken the promotion by storm, and Sting wasn't relevant as the big number one face anymore. He was just another guy wearing the (red) nWo colors.
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I think Flair and Sting never get the best out of each other, them working together pretty much always garantees a lower denominator match with cliché spots and sequences being repeated like routines with lots of begging, lots of Sting no-selling, hiptosses and Flair Flops. This is the case here, although to me this is better than their famous and not very good 1990 match, mostly because Sting is a much better worker at this point. There's a nice spot in which Sting anticipates the Flair Flop on the corner and blast him with a clothesline before Flair gets to run the apron. The Sherri turn you could see come from a mile away, but kudoos to her for catching Sting and taking that nasty bump on the floor. She was a trooper. And of course the annoying part, because you have to know the show will be all about Hogan from now on. First off, Heenan is beloved, but he was just as much a Hogan bitch as Gene was. Second of all, Hogan and Flair having physical contact already (with Flair begging like a bitch) was stupid. Third, Jimmy Hart is fucking unbearable as Hogan's retarded jumping bitch. I don't care how great he was in Memphis, these years as Hogan's stooge are enough for me to erase whatever goodwill I have toward this guy. Here you can hear him tell Hogan to "Hit her ! Hit her !", meaning Sherri. WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE ! This is a guy encouraging your number one American hero and babyface to hit a woman in the face on a show destined at kids (yeah, now that Hogan is in the place, the demos targetted by the company is kids). To me it's way more disturbing that Tommy Dreamer actually piledriving Beulah on a freak-show promotion with a metal/grungy/porn-trash mentality. I think I hate Jimmy Hart the Hulkamaniac more than Bruti. Anyway, Hogan is in the place and he's already unbearable like he was in the WWF. The heel turn can't happen soon enough. Oh, you mean I have two years of Hulkamania to suffer through before Hulk becomes somewhat enjoyable ? Fuck me.
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Awwwww Gawwwwwd....... Brotha, dude, Hulkamania brutha.... Jimmy Hart jumping around like a retarded little bitch. Gene sucking hard on Hogan's dick and swallowing to boot. "The Greatest Moment in the History of Wrestling." Brutha, the big man upstairs dude ! Fake parade. WATCHAGONNADOBROTHA ! AWWWWW GAAWWWWWWWWWDDDD !!!!! My WCW fandom feels raped. WCW 1.0 is dead. Welcome to WCW 2.0, the WWFesque version.
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I never said it was the story. I'm just saying that part with the vignettes at home had me grinning. The aging playboy bordering on 45 would soon get Sherri at his side, then get back Woman, fuck Liz again and get batshit crazy. And I can't not point out the irony of Flair turning into Steamboat circa-89, although he didn't had his baby boy wear a Little Naitch outfit. The arc of Ric Flair the character is so much like Ric Flair the human being, because infact they are the same person, so it's always fun to point out to me. I loved the Legend putting his career on the line for one last shot at glory storyline, which was obviously 99% of it.
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I enjoyed the build for Starrcade 93, but I admit the whole Race stuff went way over my head since I really haven't watched 83 in context ever. I thought Flair as the family man was still a huge stretch, after years of coming off to the ring with lines of women, talking about basically how he fucked a thousand women in every city, having Fifi at his side clearly identified as *his* woman at the time. The whole kissing the wife and the kids had me rolling my eyes, this was the same guy who 4 years prior was shitting on Steamboat's family values. But Flair has always been a hypocritical sleazebag anyway, as a character and a human being, so...
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I didn't hate it because the characters fit so well together, but what you said is right, it was kinda infuriating to watch at times. Same goes for every no-bump manager (yeah DiBiase comes to mind). On the other hand, I'm not a fan of Harley Race with Vader because Race was a rather shitty promo and Vader a terrific one, so the purpose was negated, and Harley's only fun moments came from bumping, but at time it seems too much focus on him taking huge bumps actually.