El-P
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The first bad Wargames. I really don't see what Booker T showed here expect being an out of control shouting goof. Then again, I don't think Booker T. was anything much as a worker to begin with. Stevie Ray and Sid Vicious have a contest on who can suck the worst. Sid wins throwing some of the most inefficient looking kicks ever. I would kick better than him. Dustin and Vader (who's Big Van no more, thanks to NJ's threats) at the beginning was the only worthwile part of this match, and even then they got barely any heat. The ending is anticlimatic and totally shitty. Harlem Heat and the Shockmaster had no business in this match, it was no built in the slightest. Unless the 95 Hogan version is worse, this is the worse "classic" Wargames match, as I consider the eyegouging 98 one some sort of alternative version anyway (and Stevie Ray was involved in both). Yep, bad times for WCW, really bad times. -
It was better than I thought it would, and Flair gets tons of credit for me for going the extra mile, busting out some neat stuff like the wrist work earlier on, jumping from the top rope to the outside, busting out the old butterfly suplex, and trying to kick off the pace. Rude is good on selling, but his offense consist more and more on restlholds and shouting toward Fifi (who looks awesome here), not to mention he does the absolute minimal amount of bumping now. His tights are classic Rude though. No luck for Rude, as WCW just withdrew from the NWA and the title is NWA no more, just called World Heavweight title on that show.
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The Attitude era was what drove me out of watching WWF for good, plain and simple. It was great fun in 1996 and 1997, up to mid-98, then became complete shit when it really became "The Attitude era" in early 1999. Vince Russo at the helm, shit wrestling, no good match, stupid angles, horrible booking and mindless T&A. Of course it got much better and eventually mostly fun once Russo left and WCW guys flew in in early 2000, but the peak of "Attitude era" was 1999, and it was really terrible. The peak of WWF "artistically" was really the rise of Austin, Austin vs Bret feud, USA vs Canada, early DX and early Austin vs Mr. McMahon (with Foley as Dude Love). Summer of 1996 to Summer of 1998. And it was mostly the main event scene, as most of the undercard wasn't really good, whereas WCW had this unbelievable roster then which allowed great undercards, with the hot nWo on top.
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Seriously, what were you smoking this day ? The three best things about this match are : 1/Missy Hyatt's boobs 2/Missy Hyatt's ass 3/Ventura's comments about Missy Hyatt. I forgot how boring and sloppy the Nasties were when they are not thrown around by the Steiners. Arn playing babyface in peril just doens't work for me, and he's clearly on cruise control at this point. The standout is Paul Roma, which should tell you how mediocre this match was. This incarnation of the Horsemen was truly worthless. (gotta love the smart alec fans chanting "Roma ! Roma !", the same who chanted "Steamboat sucks !!" earlier on)
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It's kinda sad to see how much Rude has dropped off since coming back from the injury. He's still got awesome maneurisms and good selling, but he's obviously not taking that much bump anymore and he's got a much more limited offense than before. It was really obvious with the entire Dustin feud, using mostly restholds even in tag matches. I didn't realize before that Rude's work dropped like that. Good match anyway, and the finish is indeed super heated. Maybe that's working with a damaged Rude, but I didn't feel like Dustin was as good as he was could be either during that feud.
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I thought it was originally attributed to Choshu (I believe referred to then as the Sasorigatame but the odds I'm recalling and spelling that correctly are slim). Can anyone trace it back before him? I thought Choshu got it from Saito.
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Add to that WrestleMania which will probably do monster business again this year. That being said, WCW was doing shitload of money in 1998.
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Is it me or the production values are better on this one ? Better shot, with good close-ups of Rude and Fifi. I actually enjoyed it more than any Flair for the Gold segment, at least something happened that lead to a program. Rude was pretty cool in a sexual predator way, and Flair played the laid-back nature boy role well, not getting into Rude's face agressively just yet.
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Holly shit, I forgot about that video. Tremendous. (shit, now you gave me the urge to revisit WWF TV in 96/97, which is something I never did since I saw it happen. Can't believe it's 16 years old.)
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That could've been amazing. Have them act like your douche-y uncle with a pony tail and a gold chain who still thinks he's "got it". Fuck yes. And a white trash middle aged girlfriend. Well, he did get new, more flashing gears. But the York Foundation, as much as I loved them, had major fashion issues.
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Good computer games have way more life and organic feel than current WWE. I'll probably get interested in the build-up to Mania with Rocky coming back, and hopefully Brock in a good match (please, no HHH), but the excitement from post-Mania last year didn't sustained more than a few weeks, and I was ff most of RAW anyway, going into segments I was interested in. Sad because I feel in another environment (and no, I'm not speaking about Roh or TNA, more like old-school ECW or WCW/WWF late 90's) I would love current incarnations of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.
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I'm usually not a fan of the handcuff gimmick, but here it worked pretty well. Morton bleeds a gusher, him and Pritchard are the standouts, but everyone plays his role well, including the Bruise Brothers who are not too much exposed in this kind of match. The Cornette beatdown by Bob Armstrong is the most satisfying moment in SMW history thus far. Great stuff, and better than most Wargames post 92. Fire on the Mountain was easily the best major show of 1993 at this point, blew away anything by WCW or WWF.
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Brian Lee's offense is not always the best, and there is a little bit of downtime in the middle of tha match, but once it picked up it because excellent. Brian Lee's best stuff is actually being a Terry Gordy like bumping heel, he takes some awesome looking bump in this one. Excellent drama at the strecht to the finish, and excellent post-match beatdown too. The postmatch interview sows the seed for a future Brian Lee vs DWB feud. Tammy already shows great presence and character by this point. I could do without Tracey calling Lee a faggot in mid-match (and getting tons of cheers for it), and violence against women is always kinda awkward coming from a babyface, but outside of that, it's excellent.
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Well, maybe he was, but plenty of rabid assholes kept their jobs in both WCW and WWF at the same time. But yeah, probably didn't help him because he was not a political asshole, which you needed to be then. I totally can understand the bitterness toward a guy like Nash too, although not saving money was stupid.
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The nineties. Not because that's the decade I've been raised with, I don't care much about rewatching any WWF from that era, but I love the japanese wrestling from that decade, and I've not seen half of what I want from AJ, NJ, Zenjo, JWP, Mpro from that era. Love the old-school garbage leagues, especially FMW. Love the first two years of ARSION. Would like to watch more of Jd' and early GAEA. I love shootstyle which peaked in this decade with UWF-I, RINGS and the minor leagues of Fujiwara, Pancrase, and hell, add early PRIDE to it. I enjoy ECW a lot, and I'm going through SMW which is really fun too. I guess there's a shitload of great lucha during this decade, with the early years of Rey and co. I'm a children of the 90's in many more ways than just becoming a wrestling fan with WWF in 1990, and although I really enjoy to watch 80's wrestling (and don't care much about whatever happened after 2001), it's an easy decision to make. I guess what I would miss the most is all the puro from the 80's I haven't seen.
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Old company stooge vs Old NWA worker. He wouldn't have worked well in the cruiserweight division in 1997, as his style really wasn't adapted to the lucha/japanese infused wrestling these guys practiced. Hell, his only really disapointing time in WCW came when he worked the lame "lightheavyweight" division in 1992. But I can totally see him work effective as a grumpy heel for instance, at least on SN and later Thunder, working with younger guys to teach them the ropes. Bobby Eaton was basically a TV jobber in 1996, which was sad since he was still very good, but at least he had a job.
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Funny, I have the exact opposite feeling. I enjoyed the first 20 minutes more, as they both worked face and yet still kept their character alive : Flair didn't beg as much but was still dirty at times, Sting didn't go full blast at Flair yet still showed intensity. It made for a few little floating moments, because they aren't used to work that way, but it made the match really interesting to me. Then when Sting reverted to no-selling babyface comeback, it kinda fella part into mediocre Flair/Sting circa 1990 stuff, especially since Sting totally brushed-off a long figure four spot, and did the chop no-sell not once, not twice, but like 3 or 4 times, which totally got le out of the match. The finish is horrendous too, as there's no way the referee can't see what's happening, they really didn't do a good job at all with it (not to mention it was really cheap to begin with). So, for the first 20 minutes I thought this was gonna be a MOTYC, then regressed into "good TV match" territory. That being said, it's the first time Flair looked like the Flair of old (well, at least like the Flair of early 90's), and he showed he could still go. I blame Sting more than Flair for the match going downward, although it's obvious working with Flair kinda makes Sting automatically go back into bad stuff he wouldn't do against Vader, in a way Flair demands formula, consciously or not. Still very cool overall.
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Oh man, watching SMW totally opened my eyes to Tony Anthony. That a man that good of a worker and promo was used the way he was in WWF (a dirty plumber and Uncle Cletus) was a complete disgrace. Add Dutch Mantell too, which was a great color man and promo (and was quite the worker too). Smothers had a nice little run in ECW too, and although I wasn't always a fan of his work there (way too much stalling at times), it's too bad he left and kinda vanished. As late as 2000, Smothers got one hell of a match out of RVD, which is a guy I couldn't bare to watch by that point. I wish Smothers had remained in ECW for the entire run of the promotion.
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Charlie Norris : no charisma, no body, no work ability Ice Train : jacked up goof shouting "tchoo tchoo" every two seconds When does this end ?
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