El-P
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Considering how weakly he was pushed after he lost the IC title, and the fact he pretty much only worked in New York which was the least work-friendly promotion of all, I think the number of really good Tito matches is pretty decent all things considered. -
Austin was so great at this time.
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I agree the reaction for Vader was insane.
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Mike (Lorefice) would do that, I remember clearly browsing through his tape list when I didn't even knew who these Japanese people were, those matches were labelled as such. He got it from John, I can assure you (well, was influenced by John at the very least.).
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Sid didn't get nearly the same reaction on RAW that Vader did, and despite being 6 years younger, looked older.
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Funny I may like this more than most then. I thought it was a good match with a lot of really smooth exchange. That said, Brad Armstrong, if solid as hell, has never been the most exciting wrestler in that he never gets to the next level. The more I watch him, from any era, be it the 80's or 90's, the more I think there's no reason he should have been pushed more than he has. As far as Muta goes, well, I'll admit it, I'm a big Muta fan, he's a guy I never get bored of watching. Love his maneurism, his explosive burst, his facials. It was pretty much a clean Muta match, did felt like a prolongued competitive squash, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Calling it a great match is smoking something illegal though. I thought it was a good little TV match than went too long but I blame Brad more than Muta for the dullness at points.
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Probably the best 2/3 falls match on WCW TV thus far. Works better with more time and more men in the ring. It also helped that they were able to tell stories, like working on Steamboat's broken nose and Zbyszko fucking up several times. Koloff brings nothing to the match.
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This is clearly one of the best Dangerous Alliance match on WCW TV, as the 2/3 falls actually served a purpose here and they got enough time to work around it. Plus the stip works better in tag matches anyway. Arn and Steamboat were the standouts. Koloff brings nothing to the table, and it's a shame he took Simmons spot on the faces side to oppose the DA.
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Hating is a strong word, but I thought the first Taker vs Michaels match was *very good* at best (while it was pimped to be a classic) and the second one merely good and that they tried way to hard to make an epic out of both matches. The issue with me is that when you very consciously aim for "epic" and hit "good", it's infact a fail.
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Agreed. Three (two ?) words Jerry : self-conscious epic.
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I wouldn't know this was the anniversary of the Benoit incident either. But you have to be a retarded asshole to chant Benoit at any date anyway.
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As usual, a legendary Steiner match is just an overatted stiffest, although this one does looks better than the Dome Shows or the Lex/Sting match because at one point Scott actually sells for a while and it's a brutal spectacle. Still, they knew they could stiff the fuck out out of Iizuka without getting reprimanded, and it comes off as unprofesionnal although in Japan it wouldn't look that bad considering how young workers are treated in dojos. The Steiner really could have been much more of a team if they would have known anything about building a match, which they never knew shit about. Watching them in context since 1989, it's no surprise that their two best matches came at the end of Doom, who would throw bombs back and had Butch Reed to slow down the pace and give structure, and the Nasty Boys who would let themselves be thrown around but who also knew how to structure a match. Yeah, I said it, the Nasties were better tag team wrestlers than the Steiners. Anyway, fun brutal match (except for Takayuki), but not a great match by any stretch of the imagination.
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Loss broke down the match pretty much perfectly, I don't see anything to add. Great sense of chaos and violence, everyone playing their part perfectly, Steamboat being totally enraged, Windham seaking revenge, Rude storming into the ring early, Dustin the fiery young studd. The Madusa spot is great, complete with the awesome visual of Sting confronting her on the top of the cage. Gallons of blood, insane bumping by Austin, Arn's head driven between the two rings, Zbyszko being blitzkrieged by Dustin as he comes to the ring. Yes, strong case for MOTD. I fucking love pro-wrestling when it's done like this.
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The best single Zenk match I've seen. They worked extra-hard to make it something special. Pillman coming off the top rope only to get a big boot in the face is a great spot I've never seen before. Good near falls down the stretch, some surprising reversal, good intensity built up. Really nice indeed.
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What Ricky states is very true. One canno't underestimate the effect of hearing that Shawn is the greatest wrestler ever in the history of the WWF ad nauseam for the last ten years. Same thing applies to HHH being a great star. Or Kurt Angle being a great worker. It's also notable that Da Metlz and Alvarez went with the flow on that one, Angle and Shawn being great workers. Obviously I'm not saying that all people who think that way are just sheeps, but the influence is there and plays a role to some extent. "You hear bulshit, bullshit and more bullshit all day long you end up buying it."
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Crap, Canadians do end up with French technology ! Minitel was probably ahead of its time for a while. But it also overstayed its welcome, and France was behind the times as far as Internet goes for a while, so the joke here was that while the US had Internet, we still had the Minitel.
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But how do you prove that? It is what geeks like us have been doing on messageboards for like 15 years now. We're spending our time to try find reasons than X wrestler is better than Y and try to explain why and give evidence. Yes, but there are clear answers that can be given by watching tons of footage, analysing, comparing and determining whose better between Sid and Bret at : selling, offense, execution, building a match, bumping, facials etc... Of course there's room for disagrement, especially when the case is not as black & white as this one, but there's a part of objective facts that can just be observed. Of course there is. Not that the guy will admit it, but at some point it's easy to respond to a guy who says Sid was a better wrestler than Bret because the facts are there on video to prove him wrong : execution, selling, offense, bumping, facials, ability to build a match etc etc... These are not totally subjective stuff, there is room for debate, but in the end I defy anyone to come to the conclusion that Bret Hart was a worse pro-wrestler than Sid based on watching their matches. There's just no way to twist it. Of course subjectivity plays a part, and consensus doesn't always mean it's the right one, but it's like anything else. I totally understand Dan's point.
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No, everything doesn't come down to subjective opinions. Bret Hart is objectively a better wrestler than Sid. But one can still be more entertained by Sid than by Bret Hart, for various subjective reasons. I know Eric Rohmer is probably a great and important director, but he's not for me and it doesn't interest me much, and I'd rather watch a minor comedy by some minor director simply because I enjoy it more. That won't change the fact that yes, Eric Rohmer is a great director. Just not for me.
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Better than it looks on paper. Flamingo's offense is really weak looking at this point, but his best asset is bumping, showing ass and doing some comedic stuff too like the classic spot of him getting hung by the feet on the tope rope and taking an upside down bump to the floor. First fall looks weak and fake, from a simple headlock reversal while holding the tights, but the second one is pretty good, Badd's sunset flip out of the third rope always looked great. Levy does a nice job selling for Badd's punches during the third fall. Kinda sloppy finish though. Decent match, which I didn't except from those two at this stage, and here the 2/3 falls kinda worked well enough to me.
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Poor Shane.
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And what exactly is "French technology"? Minitel. (sorry, only French people could understand this one, but I garantee you it's funny.) That Canada joke is indeed quite funny by the way. Never heard it before, but it's a nice one.
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Listening to the Chris Kanyon shoot interview. Really sad, he seemed like a really nice guy. And it's eerie to hear explain precisely why bi-polar people can easily commit suicide, knowing that's eventually what did him.