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Windham was great, Austin was good but lacked some offense to sustain such a long match, and it showed on the last fall. Good match but could have been better without the 2/3 falls stipulation probably.

Good match, but it's hampered by two things : the 2/3 falls gimmick that split the match in three parts, two of which are a bit short, the last fall falling a bit flat; Steve Austin is not one guy that can go too long on single and resorts to restholds a little too much. They did work their share of headlock spot in the first fall, but they did work the holds and always were moving and struggling with them, so it wasn't restholds per say. Actually they did a good job making the atch look like a struggle. Windham's selling and facials are great. Too bad the last fall felt a bit anticlimatic. All in all, I think a regular 20 minutes match would have been better, as they could have saved a few spots for good nearfalls.

He wasn't even the best guy in the company. Austin, Foley, Vader (and Bret if he had stayed all year long) were better than him. If you add people from ECW like Douglas, Scorp, Whipreck, people from WCW like Rey, Benoit, Eddie, Juvy, Psic, Regal, I doubt Shawn would even make my top 10 US workers this year to be honest.

Considering I'd have no problem finding at least 25 american wrestlers, 25 japanese wrestlers and 25 woman wrestler better than Shawn, and considering I have no doubt there are easily 25 mexican wrestler better than him, Shawn probably wouldn't make my top 100 at this point.

Because uncool as shit to the NY crowd who loved Sid.

I think Shawn's 96 is even more overrated than HHH's 00 and this is coming from someone who agrees that it was a good year for Shawn. Agreed.

Fun stuff. Rude talking about WWF on WCW TV. Shooty-shooty ! Then the parts with all the women pretending to have an affair with Ricky Steamboat is pretty funny and totally Springer-like, right to the obvious fakeness of the whole thing. Rude appologizing to Bonnie is the icing on the cake.

Shawn was placed in so many more spots to have great matches than Owen ever did. Really, the best Owen stuff is better than Shawn's best stuff. Owen vs Liger comes to mind.

Matt Hardy disagrees with you. Matt Hardy thinks Shawn was a much more smarter wrestler after he came back in 2002. Yep.... Well.....

Agree with this and what Dylan said. That's pretty much it.

In US only. Then you can add a good 250 in Mexico, a nice 250 in Japan, not counting women. At least.

The speech was all about Cena making light of everything and being a happy-go-lucky fucktard when he should have been carried on a stretcher.

I haven't seen that much early Regal stuff in WCW, but my recollection of the Zbyszko match is that it was excellent.

I never heard of this match before. I don't see what's any special about it. Well, yes, there's something special about it actually since it's the first time Koloff looks decent since he came back after some putrid matches. His offense still suck, so he seems better at selling, and since Hughes is bigger than him, it kinda works. Nothing more than a decent short TV big man match though.

Well, there is that too. The Flair matches are awesome. I'd argue that in 1988, Windham was better than Flair in their matches.

I'm talking about 1992, and thus far, he's just fine with stamina. Windham was a machine and the most graceful wrestler I've ever seen this side of Misawa and Shinzaki. No matter if he put on a little weight, he was amazing to watch. From memory 1993 is the beginning of him sliding down indeed, although fat Windham is still really good.

Because apart from Steamboat, he's the most experienced at working long matches, and he was probably still one of the 2 or 3 best workers in the company at this time.

Heenan was pretty heartbreaking to watch there.

These are the ones I've seen thus far : Felt a bit rushed, but not bad, as Zenk is usually pretty dependable as the undercard competitive JTTS. Austin is slowly going into his groove, although depending too much on restholds at times during control segments... Bad match. I like Taylor and Valentine a lot, but the Freebirds are useless at this point. They probably could have worked a decent 10 minutes go-go match but you don't want to give the Birds any time to kill. Taylor has been one of the best worker on TV since he turned heel in late 90, but there is no hope with going this long with the Birds. God awful. Zbyszko is a guy whose stock went up since he showed up in WCW, being quite the workhorse actually in tag matches and delivering quite a bit of offense and fun badmouthing. Going single against Nikita for 25 minutes, forget it. He stalls efficiently at first but then he has to do something with Koloff, and there's nothing to get out of him. Koloff's offense consist of 90% of restholds, and he proceeds to blow stuff up still. Eye gougingly boring match. Hey, this one actually had potential to develop into something as Windham is one of those guy who can go long. Of course, after giving Nikita and the Birds 25 minutes, Windham and Austin get 5. Fuck you Dusty. Good for what it is. I like Arn a lot. I like Bourne quite a bit, and he usually worked around the ridiculous Big Josh gimmick efficiently enough, but they just can't go 35 minutes. A very good 15 minutes match is buried into overlong work the limb sequences. Arn wins the first fall while holding the ropes. Josh wins the second one while holding the tighs (which evil midget Jason Hervey proceed to notice, playing heel after sucking up to the faces during the show) and Arn wins the third fall with the spinbuster. Much ado about nothing.

Talk about a reliable source...

Yes, Spivey retired in late 1995 because his kness were completely shot. Hell, his knees were shot in the early 90's. There's no way he would have came back in 1998.

Even way past his prime, old and slow in the late 80's and early 90's, Ivan Koloff was still a good worker. So he must have been pretty damn good in his prime.

Haven't seen that much of him in the 80's, but from what I saw he was pretty much a tool whom Flair and Ricky Morton worked around while way past his prime Ivan or green as shit Darsow carried the load of the work for the team. The Warlord was more fun...

This. The more time passes, the less I remember or care about dates and such.

Because he's totally worthless. Seriously, as worthless a worker I've seen. Can't work a lick, cut brutal promos, shitty character (the former USSR guy who sucks up to America now that his country is "free" and sucks up to Sting). Can't even do a proper lariat and that's his only move. Way down the pit of my all time worst shitlist. I'd rather watch Tiger Jeet Singh.