El-P
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I love Sayama's UWF stuff. And I guess I wouldn't be down on his Tiger Mask stuff as much as people seem to be these days (although I was never a huge fan to begin with and always thought he was overrated). I think Rey's WWE stuff is overrated and don't believe the "second peak" talking point about Rey. Still, Rey smokes Samaya seven ways to Sunday. -
Managers and valet also became a meaningless role. Not because it doesn't work, but because WWE sucks and can't book a wrestling product worth a shit. Bobby Heenan and Jim Cornette were great heel managers. Where are the great managers in 2012 ? Sensationnal Sherri defined great valet. Where are the great valets in 2012 ? Hell, where are the great face announcers today ? So yeah, it doesn't work as a knock against Jesse to me.
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Totally agree. It's funny, you always hear about how Bam Bam was a great worker, but watching his ECW stint, which to me is probably his best, I just don't see the great performances. There's always something missing. He was a good worker yes, but never quite got to the next level, never pushed anyone to the next level. I finally settled on the idea Bam Bam is not that good of a worker and that I shouldn't except anything great from him, and with that in mind, I'm much more comfortable with Bigelow's work, which is always fun, but never great.
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WTF ? Who came first ? Trish Stratus ? Lita ? IIRC, Toyota came first, Stratus second. Not surprising given how she's been put over as a worker by Meltzer for all these years and being pushed as a legend by Chikara recently. Well, at least there was someone like Toyota first I guess. Still...
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Heard that before, but it makes no sense to me, because it kinda kills the entire concept. "Yeah, I'm not kicking out so I can rest and pretend I have trouble getting up". Not exactly the making of an exciting match. These kind of matches just don't work well unless you go for knock downs without three counts.
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I don't know how it aged, but I sure loved this back then, although I was disapointed Jean Pierre Lafitte was replaced by Tom Pritchard (not yet Zip, and pretty much jobbed out here). Rad radford was a stupid gimmick, but I liked that Spicolli, who I always enjoyed as a jobber, got a small push. I was also a "fan" of Bob Holly back then, thinking this guy deserved a much better push than he got. Ditto Horowitz. From what I remember, Jannetty and Candido were the stand outs in the matches, working a great finish which was really impressive for WWF at that time. I've always been a big Shinzaki fan. Hell, I sound like I'm marking out over this. Anyway, pretty terrific cast of talent here.
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WTF ? Who came first ? Trish Stratus ? Lita ?
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Although I do think they had a better match at SummerSlam 94 than they had at the Egg. But it's been a long while I've seen either so I could be off on this. Either way, yes, just some nondescript stuff in the middle of greatness that was joshi in the mid 90's (and I love Bull).
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I may sound like a dick, but I always thought those Bull vs Blayze match only really appealed to people who never watched any joshi at all, and just don't cut the mustard compared to any kind of short undercard match from any joshi promotion at the same time. Same match happening in Japan, and it wouldn't even be noticed. Terry Funk, Chris Candido and Johnny Hotbody are 3 reasons why 1993 ECW wasn't a waste a time.
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Mario Tirantes Yamasaki.
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On the previous Clash, Iron Eagle no-sold the famous left hook from Michael Hayes, blame lack of timing and being clueless. Hayes had a great shocked expression on his face, he was irate as hell. He threw Eagle outside and stiffed the hell out of him. Pretty funny.
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Yes, fun match, although when Iron Eagle gets in for the final stretch, it turns into a squash match, with a guy who isn't very good. No idea why they brought this guy back in 1996, he never showed any potential to me.
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I' not surprised you don't like Horner, as the more I see of him, the more the way he moves reminds me of Dan Kroffat at times. And I know how much you like Kroffat. Yeah, I saw the Steiner vs Eaton gauntlet match. Good stuff, the best solo Scott Steiner stuff so far (thanks to Eaton). I didn't participate in that SC poll, I was burned out at the times and didn't had access to all those WCW stuff, but I'm pretty sure I would have voted for some unexpected stuff. I'm really enjoying the undercard Z-Man/Terry Taylor/Bobby Eaton feud around the TV title. Taylor is so much better as a heel than he is as a face. Turning Eaton tweener/face isn't the best idea though, and putting fake "Bobby !" chants in the background doesn't work. It allows Zenk to have the best matches of his career thus far. Another thing that is so WCW, is the timeline of Taylor's turn totally screwed up by the stupid tapings. Taylor turned heel at the previous Clash, joigning Alexandra York (with the ring announcer fucking up too and basically spoiling it during the introductions... WCW...), but he's still a tweener during those taping, slowly turning heel, and not having York at his side. Big Josh debuts. Retarded. I hate gimmicks about guys not supposed to be wrestlers, especially when you give it to workhorse like Matt Borne. Borne was jacked up at this time. Dustin debuts. It's amazing how much he works like Windham. And already looks fatter than Windham, despite being what, 20 years old ? Hey, Dusty and Missy Hyatt in a pool playing ball.
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We'll find out, but I think they will be. Won't they overlap the 80's project though ?
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I'm not saying he was a certain top 5 in the world, as I would put several japanese workers above him in that context, and I'm not familiar with Mexico, but he's at least Top 2 as far as the US goes.
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Well, in 1990 Eaton was the best wrestler in WCW. I really don't see who was better than him in WWF at the same time, so that makes him the best wrestler in the US for that year to me. I'm gonna have a blast watching them evolve in WCW. Of course Eaton faded quicker than Arn, but I think it was also due to a lack of push at some point. Eaton was also already really excellent in the early 80's, even before the MX days, so I think he gets the longevity nod no matter what. But yeah, close call on the long run, although I think I would give it to Eaton as far as better matches goes. Arn was of course an amazing promo. Condrey was much better than Ole, who never did much for me, but to be honest I have seen few Ole matches from his prime. But Condrey was a really good worker. That makes me thing about this : Bobby Eaton or Robert Gibson Tom Pritchard or Tommy Rogers Terry Taylor or Brad Armstrong
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I've got one for you : Arn Anderson or Bobby Eaton ?
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Haven't seen a much of Hase in All Japan but I actually really loved his singles vs Kobashi & Kawada. Some of my fav matches i've seen any of those 3 involved in. He was still good of course, very good at times even, but I don't think he meshed as well as he could have in his prime. I remember a very disapointing match with Jun Akiyama in 98. True. I was talking about the mid 90's when she came back and was lost in the shuffle while Takako was world tag champ and Hasegawa was the next big thing.
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Hell, that totally got out of my mind. I was thinking she debuted with Hasegawa. That makes Kyoko a freak. 4 years in, she was the third best worker in the company behind Bull & Hokuto. Yes. I'm not sure I'd say that. Toyota/Yamada inprints on the promotion surely influenced its style for the years to come, but Bull and Hokuto were big on selling. Ditto Aja and Bison. My beef with Toyota & Yamada go-go-go style is that even when they did hit the great matches, they were never the best at their own style. Kyoko was better at it. When Oz & Kansai showed up from a company which worked a slower style, they were better too.