El-P
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Was Chaz "just a guy from NJ who beats his girlfriend"/"Headbanger"/"Beaver Cleaver" ? -
I couldn't tell you the specifics for lacking of speaking japanese, but I remember Toyota being pissed off of her best friend Yamada for not picking her as her tag partner in some tag league, and it jumpstart their rivalry. The hair-match was all about Yamada emulating her childhood hero Chigusa. Toyota trying to stop Yamada was all about her getting super emotionnal and not wanting her friend to cut her hair after all I guess. I think there's something lost in translation here, as I don't think we can apply the same psych to joshi puroresu than to US men's wrestling. The über emotionnal stuff seems very japanese to me.
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Funny how things work. Foley was always thought of as some sort of sick fuck to some extent, especially with the "get bashed 10 times with a chair before my childrens" incident. Yet...
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The Hardy boys story is a sad sad one.
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Sat behind the curtains.
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It's not the point at all. No. Saying the term is stupid when obviously it has been understood by many people is an excuse to not even try to understand the point that is being made.
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Seriously? Could've fooled me, I had no idea. I made a perfect score on my verbal SAT test here in America, and your posts are often better written than mine. Well, thanks for the compliment. But I can assure you I'm sometime stuttering mentally and not feeling comfortable enough to really get to the points with enough precision. I don't agree with that one, for a specific reason: they worked that into the story of the match. Joe was deliberately ripping off a bunch of spots from the AJPW legends, and Kobashi responded by getting pissed off and beating the everliving shit out of this wannabe. I don't think I've ever seen Kenta stiff anyone so hard in the face as he was with those diving double-handed chops in the corner after the hundred-chop barrage. They intentionally made a point out of Joe marking out and doing cosplay spots, and that causing Kobashi to be all "what the fuck, you little punk? You haven't earned that!". Joe only took back over on offense once he stopped being a wannabe and went back to the faux-MMA stuff which was his calling card. Samoa Joe doing masturbatory "I can't believe I'm wrestling KENTA KOBASHI, holy shit this is the greatest day of my life!" e-fed spots and then paying for his hubris was the specific point of the story those two guys were telling. If that's the case, then it went totally over my head. If I ever get to watch it again, I'll try to watch for this.
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Yeah, Kurt probably is the Prince of Self Conscious Epics, riding them all the way into the WON HOF. I'd say Trip is the King of Kings of Self Conscious Epics because his are so methodically laid out and overkilled for drama / theatrics / etc. Kurt's tended / tend to be more spotfu. There is probably something to say about this post-modern way of thinking that wrestlers have of going for an epic in a "smart" way of seeking snowflakes, which is totally wrong. Triple H is the King of Miserably Failed Epics.
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I think Jerome has walked through what he hates about WWE-style quite a few times since say 2003 and is probably as tired of writing a long, detailed post on it as people who love WWE-style are of reading it. There is this. There is also the fact that at this point, I've became a bit lazy. And also, and I don't want people to think it's a cop-out because it isn't, there's the fact that English isn't my native language, and sometime, I happen to knock my head on vocabulary and grammar issues. Not that I need to translate any thoughts I have about wrestling from French into English, as a matter of fact when I think about wrestling I do it automatically in English because it's the only language I've ever used to talk about wrestling. Still, there is no complex or precise thinking process without mastering the language, and I do feel sometime my English isn't good and rich enough to totally express what I would like to. So I have to find ways of expressing some ideas in the most concise yet thruthfull way possible. I thought "self-conscious epic" was the perfect expression of why I didn't like most modern big WWE matches, and obviously, some people get what I mean. Again, not a cop-out, I'm mostly lazy (and not passionnate enough about WWE to take the time to deeply analyse their stuff), but I think it was fair to state that fact too, which makes me a bit repetitive sometime in my ways of expressing my opinions or thoughts. About "self-conscious epics", I find most of what has been said quite true, especially the difference with a big theatrical match, but I'd like to add also that I take in account the way those modern matches are designed and forced-fed to the audience as "epics" from the get-go. It never feels like two wrestlers having a match developping into an epic, it feels like it's been laid out and carefully preplanned that this was gonna be an "epic", and sold as such to the audience. This goes along the hyper annoying "Wrestlemania moments" we have to suffer through each year now, as those are probably noted on the directors sheet as "Token WM Moment N°X". It's like those movies released as "The new cult movies of....". Well, it's not a cult movie because you decrete it's a cult movie. It becomes one because of what the audience makes of it. In modern WWE, there's no place for the audience, and I think it's a well known fact that the workers are told to ignore the audience, which is to me the exact opposite of what a pro-wrestler should do. And I'll be totally fair in saying WWE are not the only ones guilty of this, although it's pretty systematical there. I remember hating the Kobashi vs Samoa Joe match as it just looked like Joe jerking off by hitting every AJ spot imaginable before the ROH crowd who ate every one of them and thought it made for a great match. One word : cosplay.
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I never saw that match, but I'm pleasantly surprised to see Honaga get so much love. I'm a Blood Outlaw fan, and Honaga was a breath of fresh air after the days of pure workrate matches following the Sano feud in 90. Honaga was a terrific heel and he had a great chemistry with Liger. Added a lot of dynamic to their matches together. I should get back to NJ TV... or get those sets.
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Word.
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I don't feel I comment that much on it. If I do I certainly should refrain from doing so. Basically did it because I just happened to watch a WWE show (and was semi-interested in Punk vs Cena because of the great Punk promo). I think I gave plenty of reasons in the past why I can't stand the style and the product, and since it's always the same I don't feel like going into specifics again. I guess the reason why I regularly get trapped into watching a match from time to time is in the hopes it would actually grab me and I would love it.
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Yes 1997 in Japan had all the sign of the Apocalypse when El Hijo del Choshu Riki got the IWGP belt, Megumi Kudo retired, Zenjo nearly went out of business and totally crumbled. 1998 things were not the same anywhere. WCW was slowly beginning to go to hell, WWF would soon fall under the Russo regime after SummerSlam, ECW was past its prime already.
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Hey, I didn't say much. A "What ?" was enough to make him react. Ah, fun times....
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On French version of Superstar we got it at the right time. Odd this was only released on Coliseum, but the french TV was an oddball at the time, with MSG matches thrown in, older matches... Man, I wish I had saved those tapes.
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Heh, I think I know what you're talking about here but i'd still be interested to hear you elaborate. She never seems very sympathetic after all. She's got an obnoxious and showoff quality that makes her not exactly the greatest face, unlike Kyoko who has this happy-go-lucky character. She's got a "look at me" attitude inside the ring that fit her style but also does make me want her to get beat down by Aja. Sorry for the very late answer, was on vacation in Barcelona.
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They are not the same but the very use of the word "not" implies negative connotations. Someone mentioned the words 'solid', 'ok', etc. earlier. If that is what you were implying then say those words. "This lasagna is not very good" "This lasagna is ok" One is clearly a negative and one is clearly neutral/positive. Linguistic. I love this board. Well, I had to balance things a bit because I hear so many times that Cena is that really good worker. Well, he's not. So yeah, I had to be be a little bit negative here. Cena is ok. Lasagna rules though. You do sound like a bitter old man. I would honestly prefer to hear about what you do like because most of your recent posts are all about your hatred for WWE. Create a thread of awesome matches El-P would like us to watch. I know, I realize that. Blame me stumbling on MitB and having my brain trying to get around the fact people actually enjoy this stuff. I shouldn't even try to watch it, WWE does no good for me, and then I'm playing an unviable role. I did contribute to the yearbook threads with positive comments though, although not as much as I would like to for various reasons.