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Yep. This is called responsability. Life is way too fragile.

Ditto. Drugs are everywhere since the beginning of humanity. As long as you don't do harm to someone else and are responsible with it, I'm not one to judge. The only severe issue is addiction, but that's a different thing. Until they become addict, and then, it's big trouble. I've dealt with a girl with an alchohol issue, and it can break you and the entourage down. It's truly a destructive thing. I guess. Marijuana should be legalized yesterday. It's ridiculous, it's the least dangerous and addictive drugs of all. Tobacco is a poison. Alcohol is a billion time more dangerous, yet any fucker can ger wasted, take his car and kill a family, or come back home and hit his girlfriend. I've never heard of something killing other people because he smoked pot. And understand me, I'm not even a consummer. I never had a cigarette in my life and never did any drugs. I just drink socially, and even then, very hard to get wasted because I have a pretty strong resistance to alcohol and because I usually know when to stop (and doesn't enjoy the hangover one bit). I know I have somewhat of an addictive nature, so that keeps me away from trying anything although the tentation has been there from time to time. I reported my addictive instinct on others, much less risky things instead.

I've seen a few Abrams UWF, and while it wasn't exactly good, it looked like an old territory with past their prime veterans. Plus it didn't last, and was barely a spot on the map of wrestling. TNA has been around since 2002, is officially the second company in the US and really, the only "major" one next to WWE, although not in the same Universe, pun intended. I truly can't stand WWE's product, and as much as I would love to support an alternative, TNA is probbaly the worst "big" promotion ever. The fact that Vince Russo still has a job, that they hired Bischoff in spite of his track records is just mind exploding at this point. Good for the wrestlers who can make a living out of it, and I don't mean the girls since at some point the champ had to have a real job on the side, but it's just a fucking horrible wrestling company. Jeff Jarrett has learned exactly nothing from his father.

Less annoying, but stupider. Drinking alcohol doesn't equal getting wasted though. Two fine glass of wine while having diner, a fresh beer in a cool bar or a few glass of champain don't do any harm.

"Purity" claims are the most ridiculous things ever, in every way. How not drinking alcohol makes you "better" than someone who does ? I have nothing against "straight edge" per say, although there's a "holyer than thou" taste to it I don't particulary like from people preaching it (well, than can be said for any kind of preaching...). Plus, as long as they don't hurt anyone else, what people do in their private life is nobody's business. On the topic at hand, I think Punk is totally right to complain about being harrassed at the freaking dentist. There's a time for everything.

Last week on 4FD, Konnan was the guest and he asked if Terry Taylor being fired from TNA was about the sexual harrassment case. The he went on about how Taylor already was involved in such things in the past but always went through the net. Anybody knows about this ? It was reported that Taylor was a weasel and a stooge before, but that's the first I hear of sexual harrassment.

A bit pathetic indeed. Too many chairshots to the head.

Well, Goulet is 78 and still alive, so good for him.

Totally agree. It's supposed to be an athletic contest, a fight. Shit happens, not everything works like it should, accident occur. Make it a part of your match instead of wanting to "put your shit in". Another great exemple is Gladiator vs Kanemura in 1996 in FMW, Gladiator totally botches a plancha and his knee get stuck between the ropes. Kanemura reacts instantly, takes a chair and hit repetively Gladiator's knee while he's stuck there. It takes a while for him to get out, but then he sells the knee and it's a big part of the story of the match. They turned a blown spot into a big dramatic and dynamic positive. For all the shit Sabu takes, him blowing spots never bothered me because he didn't do it nearly as often as it's been said, plus his spots were supposed to be dangerous and difficult so blowing them was a possibility, and finally I've seen him do the Inoue trick of blowing spots on purpose and using it as variations. Rewatching ECW opened my eye on Sabu, the guy was way better than he's regarded now.

And I think you made a fine point of explaining why you felt the way you did about the Demos, and if I ever got back to watch old WWF it'll certainly be something I'll have in mind.

Wasn't poor or boring. It was usually well timed and calculated to get maximum effect. You've already admitted you have not watched the matches in a long time and have no intention to rewatch them. Come on, don't talk to me like the Demos had some special offense that escaped from my mind for fuck's sake. I've seen countless Demos matches over the last 20 years, enough to consider that their offense was boring, dull and weak looking to me. I don't need to refresh my memory on everything you know. I haven't watched a Mariko Yoshida match in 8 years probably, I don't need to refresh my memory to know how awesome she was at submission and matwork.

Because Arn & Tully, the Harts or the Rockers needs someone to bring structure to their matches. What Demos brought that bring the match down is poor and boring offense. Like I said, the Nasties are worse mechanics, but their recklessness and sloppiness at least produce some aura of actual violence and chaos, whereas the Demos are just blah to me on offense. Not a whole lot more dangerous looking than the Honky Tonk Man except for a few occasional good lariats. The "structure and storytelling" aspect doesn't matter to me if the wrestling kinda suck or is boring and dull. I'd rather have an entertaining goofy spotfest or trainwreck than a well structured boring match with no interesting wrestling (and by wrestling I don't mean "technical wrestling", I also mean good brawling etc...). And the Demos on offense were rather sleep inducing to me.

no,yes,yes,yes,no,no and yes. That's your best post of the thread. (no sarcasm)

They were carried in the sense that the other teams brought the wrestling, the offense and most of the good suff since the Demos were all about weak axhandles and weak punches, and goofy screaming. As far as Demolition calling the match each and every time, I'd have to rewatch them (which I won't) but I doubt the Demos called the match all the time since they were babyfaces in most matches you pimped. Calling the match with the Rockers, no doubt, but thank God the Rockers are the greatest southern tag team working up north, so we get some actual wrestling and excitement. Calling the match with Arn & Tully, well, maybe so, but that means dragging them down in that case. Oh anyway... I'm wondering if the Nasty Boys, although worse workers mechanically than the Demos, weren't much more fun to watch than the Demos actually.

No. Demolition are obviously better than freaking Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard, The Rockers, The Hart Foundation, One Man Gang & Big Bubba, the Rock'n Roll Express, the MX and probably Kawada & Misawa too. And if you don't agree you're a moron. Or something...

I don't see any great matches in the matches you listed. The best of the bunch is the Rocker one, and I would not call it great. Each time they have a good match they are paired with a much superior team. I'll say the word that shouldn't not be said in 2011, they are *carryable*. Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Not really good either, but paired up with the right team, they are competent enough to deliver good stuff. That's my opinion of the Demos. You're not even trying here, you know I didn't said or even slightly implied that. Dylan and I agree to disagree on many things. You seem to have an issue with anyone not sharing the same opinion as you.

Dunno. Sometimes it's worthy to talk about a match/movie I don't like to think about why it didn't work. And god knows I've seen some terrible movies recently.

Yep, excellent match. Against the Rockers, one of the greatest tag team of all-time. Good but overrated. Against the Hart Foundation, who were really a terrific team despite one half not being that great, but Neidhart just overachieved in big matches sometimes. Haven't seen this one, but the Twin Towers were easily a better team than the Demos in my mind. Interesting to watch, but Arn & Tully really wre fucked by the WWF style of working. This probably wouldn't make a top 30 Arn & Tully match. Haven't seen this specific one, but the match at Mania was just terrible. Poor Andre couldn't do shit and was just sad to watch. Haku worked his ass off and was more credible than both Demos as an ass-kicker. I'll be glad to never sit down before a Colossal Connection match ever again, Andre at this time is just no fun at all and cringe worthy. So yeah, the Demos had a few good matches against some great teams (then again, the Busters matches are just super low in the totem pole or Arn & Tully so that's not exactly a huge positive). That's what decent teams do.

Star rating is goofy as hell, and I don't like it much, but I hate the fail/pass system because it prevents any middle ground.

Yep. Too bad most of the matches were clipped though. Frankly, the Rock'n'Roll even way past their prime in 1998 in WWF were still way too good to be used like they were.

Those are the highlights ? Man...

There was a great match at WM7, and that was Rockers vs Barbie & Haku. It's too bad these two were never pushed seriously together at that time. I gotta say one thing about this thread, it only reminds me how fun tag team wrestling used to be.

The WM 8 match ? Last time I checked it wasn't even a good match with those horrible Nasty Boys restholds control segments and shitty finish.

I can buy it being good. I have trouble buying it being great since the Elims were still a pretty mediocre tag team at very best. Well, I didn't made my cut obviously because I've seen that Queens show. Good for the four people who thought it was great. To me The Nasty Boys have been part of exactly zero high end matches in their career. I know people are going gaga over the Steiner match from 90, but to me it's ridiculously overrated. Ditto the brawls in 94. Can't think of any "pimped as high end matches" the Nasties would be involved in.

Other FBI matches I enjoyed quite a bit : 1997.03.30 (TV) FBI vs Chris Chetti & Spike Dudley (yes, I did enjoy some matches involving Spike Dudley; 1997.05.17 (TV) FBI vs Pitbulls (yes, they got a good match out of the Pitbulls...) 1997.08.21 (TV) FBI vs Chris CHetti & Spike Dudley (again...) 1997.10.18 (TV) FBI vs Gangstanators (okay, not much of a match, rather a squash and a fun angle, but again, the FBI made me watch an entire match involving New Jack) 1997.10.31 (Fan Cam ) FBI vs Mickey Whipreck & Chris Chetti 1997.12.06 (TV) FBI vs Tommy Rogers & Jerry Lynn 1997.12.13 (Fan Cam) FBI vs Chris Candido & Lance Storm (I don't remember if it was as good as the TV match) 1997.12.27 (Fan Cam) FBI vs Tommy Dreamer & Axl Rotten & Balls Mahoney (super fun match, great promos, tons of ga-ga) 1998.03.01 (Living Dangerously) FBI vs Jerry Lynn & Chris Chetti 1998.03.13 (TV) FBI vs Sandman & 2 Cold SCorpio (fun but too short to amont to anything) 1998.05.03 (WrestlePalooza) - 05.14 (TV) FBI vs Blue Meanie & Nova (typical matches between those two teams...) 1998.09.19 FBI vs Tommy Rogers & Chris Chetti (single match between Rogers & Smothers turning into a tag, with the added bonus of JT Smith making his comeback at the end, fun stuff)