El-P
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Shawn was way more homoerotic than Goldust ever was really when you think about it. Me too, but it's too bad it was booked by Russo, because the Val Venis angle made no sense at all. They had no notion of who was the face and the heel. The crowd wanted to cheer for the cool Val Venis character yet Ross was outraged at Terri's attitude, forgetting that Dustin dumped her and treated her like shit on TV a few months earlier. What a mess this was. With good booking it would have been a really interesting feud, as both worked well with each others. What did Goldust do after the Venis feud anyway ? A feud with Jarrett over striping Debra which made no sense whatsoever either. Then he got saddled with the Blue Meanie and Ryan Shamrock. God, the Attitude Era was terrible... I guess Goldust really only got rebuilt when he came back several years later and teamed with Booker. -
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If only... The first Hogan vs Piper feud in WCW was awesome. Then, they rinsed and rehashed it until it was just downright pathetic. While the Austin vs Mr. McMahon feud was kicking off in WWF, arguably the second biggest angle of the decade and the WWF equivalent of the nWo, while RAW was finally winning the ratings war after nearly two years of being kicked down the curve, WCW was still running endless promos of Piper and Hogan on Nitro every week. It's so sad that WCW booking wasn't looking ahead because they really did an awesome job in 1996, even with stuff that really should not work on paper (really, who wanted to see Hogan vs Piper in 96 ?). Piper did had a few spots in which he was worthwhile again, with Flair for instance, but this was his last truly great and meaningful feud.
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That's actually exactly what I thought when I was talking about Goldust coming up during the Attitude Era being different. Of course Goldust would have never been the Man nor carry the company, but a transitionnal heel champ, why the hell not.
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Goldust was the biggest wasted gimmick of the late 90's, mostly because it was too complicated to handle for WWF. Hall didn't want to work with him. The Piper program would have been great if Goldust hadn't been squashed by an old homophobic Piper in one match without Dust ever getting some heat back. And the supposed lesbian angle between Marlena and Sable was squashed because Bret was unconfortable with this if I remember right. It was just too hard to play with this stuff, although it could have been fascinating. By the fall of 96 the Goldust character was already way tamer than he was supposed to be, and although he was still very over as a face, the Ross interview exposing Goldust as a "good father happy husband with a wonderful little girl he loves so much" just killed it dead. God I hated that. Goldust sure didn't need to be a multi-personnality gimmick, the character was complex enough on its own, no need to throw Dustin into the mix, at least not until the character would have been overused. Could Goldust have gotten a title reign ? Probbaly not in this setting, but man it would have been great to see major programs with the original Goldust character. In a way they ruined Goldust kinda like they ruined Doink earlier in the decade, although Goldust had main event potential. I dreamed of a Goldust vs Ric Flair match back then. I guess Goldust came too early. If he had debuted 2 years later during the Attitude era, it might have been a different story, as he would have been way more easier to get away with "controversial" stuff.
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I never realized WCW actually made the effort to transform Eaton into Lod Robert. That was awesome.
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I think I already mentionned how Wolrd War II was really well booked and how it made the General de Gaulles the biggest babyface in France for decades, people are still stealing from his promos today. Even his short-lived heel turn during May 68 was a huge success and people throwing thrash and fighting in the streets really foreshadowed the nWo angle, at least during its first few months. Hogan stole a lot from him, and him jobbing to Jacques Rougeau in Montreal in 97 was really a tribute to the famous "Vive le Québec libre !" promo by De Gaulle to get a pop from this particular audience.
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Who the fuck is Bruce Hart anyway except one of the biggest and most infamous bullshiter on the scene ? Man, this sounds as godawful as Diana's book.
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This is the greatest article in the history of our sport.
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Yeah, they did a few things afterward, like Michaels beating Cena on RAW in an epic match everyone remembers because it was one of those Shawn Michaels "classic".
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I agree on what you say about Bret's promos. But Bret coming from WWF after getting screwed was the easiest guy to book in the world at this point, he was red hot, he had been fucked by "the other company". WCW needed some fresh blood on top and Bret was perfect. A feud with Hogan could write itself. Really, WCW was just totally incompetent with Bret, not to mention people who just didn't want to do business with him (how ironic that Flair was the one to put him over in his first match).
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Wasn't this the year of the awful Flair interview segment A Flair for the Gold or something ? Agree, Flair wouldn't be a good color man. I would disagree, since what I've seen of his WWE work looks like shit. The infamous WM Taker match is just an embarrassment to watch for a Flair fan like me. As far as WCW goes, I don't know, I don't remember if he was much better in 99 and 2000 than he was in 97. Agree, although Bret didn't help as he was dull as hell during this feud. But Bret's booking in the first months of 1998 is jaw dropping bad, the poor guy had no chance in hell to be anything relevant, it's fascinating how they did nothing with him and how he was settled with albatros like his in-laws (who didn't mean shit in WCW and weren't over at all) and Curt Hennig (not over, washed up, lazy, midcarder). I'm at mid April 98, and it's the first time Bret is featured as a player on Nitro, coming to Sting's aid and kicking the nWo ass by himself, then tagging with Sting against Savage & Nash on Thunder. I don't remember much about what's coming next, but I think it'll fall apart quite quickly with a heel turn or something... Yeah, Waltman was obviously thrilled to work with Flair, it should have been more fun than it was. I remember Flair having a suprisingly good match with Piper in 97.
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Those were the days.
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Yeah, it was a work. A very stupid one, but a work nonetheless. In a way it was the perfect work for Hotta since she's an unprofessionnal cunt and a bully so potatoing each other might be the only way to make her look decent. Really closer to the equivalent of Vader vs Cactus Saturday Night matches rather than a UFC fight. She looks even more incompetent in a real shoot than in a shoot-style work, which says a lot. AJW had some bizarre ideas about putting some of the girls in horrible shoot fights. I remember a young Shimoda in a shoot. I wonder what was the point of this. ARSION booked some shoot fight too, some were actually quite fun. I agree shoot fights in a wrestling promotions should get lumped into a Shoot-fight yearbook if that ever occurs, and worked shoot-style matches happening in shoot promotion should appear in wrestling yearbook. Maybe you should send some of these to Dave...
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That would take getting some fat guys with actual characters and not cookie cutter well built guys with short tights and crew cuts. It won't happen in the current environment.
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Yes it does. First WM I saw was WM 8. I didn't miss one until 15. Then I was gone and only watched WM from the mid-late 00's. Time flies. And really, WM doesn't seem that special anymore despite the settings being much more spectacular than when I used to watch it (the dreaded 90's).
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Yeah, Luger's career really was boosted by his jump to WCW after a year doing nothing in WWF. Like you said, after the great victory on Nitro and his short title reign though, he crashed down and became dull as hell (despite still being over) and did nothing worthwhile until his "Total Package" heel turn in late 1999 I believe.
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Ok, I checked her out, well, it is totally ridiculous, she's a hot woman by any standart.
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Maybe Natalya screwed Natalya. But yeah, what Ditch said, the Molly Holly bullshit was ridiculous. I don't know what Natalya looks like, but I have no trouble believing she's perfectly fine looking.