El-P
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In every shoot interview I heard, everyone is talking about how bad Mero was. I'm watching the matches, and I don't see that. Sure, he pre-planned everything, but everybody is doing it these days. Mero had too many good matches to be as bad as people say he is. I guess tons of workers were jealous of him : getting a big contract up front while never "paying any dues"; being married to a ridiculously hot wife. That said, Mero in his own shoot interview is the first to admit that at first he was rotten and gives plenty of credit to everyone he ever worked with, he also admit getting a big head at one time, and comes off as a really likeable guy overall. I guess Mero fits the bill if you consider the terrible reputation he gets. -
Really? Interesting. So you're not likely to youtube a match that you might have seen people discussing, because it's a one-off? Nope, I never do that. Well, if we're talking about a particular year, like they do with the 1996 yearbook, it's different but it would also works for me I guess, because it covers the spectrum of what was happening at the same time in different promotions and style. But yeah, I'm not watching isolated matches anymore. I was doing it in the mid-90's when it wasn't so easy to download tons of stuff, especially to catch up with WWE stuff I had missed in the 00' and also some big japanese matches, but I grew tired of it, it wasn't satisfying to me. I think I actually stopped watching wrestling for a while.
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I agree. It's a much better way to enjoy a style/wrestler/company. I don't watch one-off matches anymore, not that I was ever big on this to begin with. Well, coming from you, that's a pretty big shift. I first hated Choshu when I got into puroresu, then watching NJ TV from 89 to 91 quickly made me a big fan. Most recent negative shift from me is probably Lance Storm. I want to like the guy, but when he's having the lesser match of every guy he works with, well...
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JD in the days before it got taken over by the wave of pretty idol girls always got over shadowed by there just being way way too much other stuff out thear. I'll get in the mood now & then for something diffrent and buy a show of theirs and most of the time I really enjoy them but with so much AJW, JWP, GAEA & ARSION among others out thear that I still haven't seen it just always ends up taking a back seat. Yeah, Jd' was the great little promotion that could, but no one ever watched for the reasons you mention. It's too bad, there was a lot of good, different stuff there. It got ruined by the act?s?s concept. The most famous of which ended up doing porn videos. Hurrah Jd'.
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The Rock, as I was watching stuff for SC Greatest Wrestler Ever poll. I never like The Rock during the Attitude Era. I thought he was a mediocre worker, I hated the product as he was really pushed to the top (1999). Rewatching shitloads of stuff, including a lot of post 2000 material I had never seen before (having stopped watching WWF in 99), I became a big fan, really opened my eyes.
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That was awesomely stupid.
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Sadly I wasn't able to get the Hardcore TV stuff, and the few episodes I've seen were much better than TNN. To begin with, no Gertner.
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I agree with Dylan that the Network angle was kinda like the continuation of the ECW vs WWF feud of 97/98. Which is another reason why it was abysmal and stupid. Really, when Credible got the belt, there was no one else at the time. I don't think he would have gotten it if Mike Awesome had stayed. I agree he was better in 97/98, but he also had better opponents back then. I only agree with Dylan about the greatness of Tajiri, and the suckiness of Storm. For the rest, I agree to disagree, but it's nothing new, we have pretty much polar opposite tastes most of the time. And yeah cm funk, I see what you mean, but I'm speaking from my own ECW viewing experience from last year and a half or so, which was pretty much watching everything from 1992 to 2001. I understand that to new fans, losing both the Duds and Taz at this exact moment was really bad timing. Oh, I forgot to mentionned I loved the Sinister Minister little promos with Mickey.
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Kosugi was just a though girl, really hard working and though as nails. Really the second coming of Kudo in term of work if she had the time to build a career. Funny to talk about Yuko Kosugi in 2011. Fun though. I loved ARSION to death and bought every new tapes back in the days. Yumi Fukawa getting severely injured really depressed me, and then Lioness coming in really ruined it for me. But the two first years were probably the most fun I ever had watching wrestling. One day maybe I'll get back into what was my favourite wrestling in the world !
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Alfonzo was the only fun part of his act actually at this point. It's just that RVD is not a very good wrestler, period.
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Well, this explains that. I was an ARSION überfan at the time. Mariko Yoshida, Aja, Yumi Fukawa, early Ohmukai, Mikiku Futagami (yeah, not GAMI), AKINO, Ayako, Ai Fujita, Candy Okutsu comeback, the Apache sisters etc etc... That's it ! Thanks ! I loved Yabushita. Good to know ! I remember her moving to the US actually. Come on FLIK ! Yuko Kosugi ! Miss Megumi Kudo redux. Hot and hardcore. Could take a beating like nobody's business. She quit the business in the early 2000's I think. She was damn good.
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By 1998, ECW wasn't a trendsetter anymore, it was was following the product of the big two. And yes ECW on TNN was copying Raw and Nitro's format instead of doing what ECW was doing before, doing stuff that wasn't done before. I was so sick of the Dudleys that them leaving wasn't a big deal for me, but it did hurt the company since they were their biggest stars arguably. Taz's character as a face champion was so lame most of the time, that I didn't miss him either, although Taz reverting back to the 96 character would have been cool. Mike Awesome was a big blow though, he was on a rampage and looked mre credible than any champion they ever had, he had a major league appeal. Storm was a non factor, he wasn't particulary over nor particulary good. And like I said RVD being injured was a blessing to the shows to me, because I couldn't watch another RVD match at this point. But yeah, there weren't any new stars to make except for Rhino. And the pool from the last territories was dryed uop at this point. Add to that Heyman being burn out. The difference between the heyday of the promotion from 94 to 97 and the TNN days is huge.
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Hated it. I watched the entire ECW on TNN last year, and quite frankly, after a while, I just ff through the introductions because Gertner was unbearable to me. I love him as the Dudley managers, but in this role, and as a color guy, he was putrid. ECW on TNN was so much worse than Hardcore TV, but I guess it's not fair because the best days of Hardcore TV go along the peak of the promotion. Cyrus and the evil Network was retarded and boring, and although Cyrus got a few good promos out of it, it was mainly very bad. I was surprised to enjoy Rhino as much as I did, as back in the days I used to see nothing in him. I enjoyed the hell out of Justin Credible the douchebag champion, he's getting so much shit for nothing. I enjoyed fat Raven, but I'm a Raven fan. Face Francine dressed as a whore really didn't work at all. The obligatory catfights in every Impact Players matches were annoying as hell, and Dawn Marie really served no purpose at all. Lance Storm really wasn't very good at all, which surprised me. What else, yeah, Mike Awesome ECW champ worked so much more than I thought it had. I liked 2000 more than 1999. By the end, I couldn't bare to watch another RVD match. Hot Commodity was the last bright spot of ECW.
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And don't forget the best part, "Sunshine". On rewatch, nope, this is not even a good match. Sting's performance is lazy as hell here, it's like a prolongued bad Savage match in which Sting gets stretched for ever then no-sells a backhand slap and beats Regal with two moves. Highly underwhelming.
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Maekawa is neither forgotten nor underrated. Maekawa is a shitty worker with a shitty attitude. Call it the Hotta syndrome, except uglier and with less talent. Watanabe carried her ass for years in tag, so Maekawa got herself involved in great matches when LCO could do no wrong. Then she got into LCO (ugh), and was carried by Momoe & Nanae. Fucking awful worker. About GAEA, yeah, some early rookies had shitloads of potentials. Rina Ishii I seem to remember was quite good. Of course Chiggy drove them away being Chiggy. Meiko was always overrated by the DVDVR crew. Well, the entire promotion basically was. Sugar Sato was really good before 98, and then got sucked into a suckage circle of suck. Toshie was decent at best. Kato & Nagashima really were the great ones. Hido, I dunno. I guess he can get into the "he's supposed to suck" category, because he was never pimped as anything but The Ugly Guy Who Married Megumi Kudo, but he wasn't that bad. Not that good either, but far from a bad worker. Jd's two judo girls basically are all but forgotten. To the point I don't remember their names ! There was a Megumi something I believe... Damnit... And Bloody's favourite punching bag was really good too.
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Rewatching ECW, RVD is a guy that went clearly down. I was never big on the guy, but would have given him more credit 10 years ago. I actually enjoy awkward karate early RVD more than late 90's RVD with all the chairs bullshit. Sabu was a million time more fun than RVD. Their matches were kinda fun carwrecks.
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Well, the fat guy gets the hottie, it's neat.
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Er... I think you have them confused with each other. D'oh! I thought the smaller fellow with the shaved head was Hash - who I initially thought was Mutoh, actually, since that's pretty much how he looks these days. :-( I'm just confused about 90's NJPW, obviously. It doesn't stop the match from being great though! This set will be a good exposure for me. Well, this exchange makes me realize that some people actually don't know who Hashimoto and Yamazaki are, and that makes me feel old actually. About the match, I'm not sure I've seen that one, but Hash vs Yamazaki can't be anything but excellent at least.
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When I rewatch shitloads of ECW last year, Raven was clearly one of my favourite act of the company. Funny how he gets so much hate here. I love his promos, I love most of his matches, I think he's super efficient. Yeah, it's messy and unathletic, but he'd be the first one to tell you that. I agree the Beulah turn made no sense though. Tommy beats her up senseless and all of a sudden she's pregnant from Tommy ? Not to mention that later it was revealed that she wasn't pregnant, lied to Tommy and was having an affair with Kimona, who was Raven's valet. Which didn't matter in the end because Tommy would take both. Russo sure fell in love with that stuff. But yeah, it did made for some fun moments. Anyway, Raven and Richards had an awesome dynamic together, it was great stuff all along. And yeah, Beulah was hot as hell.
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