Matt D

According to Kris' lucha report it's Liosas Nuevo Laredo.

People should check out Mascara Dorada/Volador vs Flamita/Caristico. It's up on youtube. Very fun match with great action, great spots, some surprising and enjoyable rudo work from Dorada (and Volador, who's a natural jerk) in the middle, and it never wears out its welcome or escalates to the point of ridiculousness. Plus it's cool to see Flamita interact with these guys.

If you can connect the dots and contrive that story from what you're watching, sure, but the dots have to be there. You can't just accept the dropping of one thing or another unless the match justifies it. It's not a get out of jail free card just because it exists in sport.

Looking forward to tonight's Mixed tag match with a young Sherri and Judy Martin. I won't get to it tomorrow though but Martin's one of my favorites.

What matters most is the way they transition between chapters. The comparison to sport is the wrong path to go down though.

I know that you qualified this, but I think in this regard, look is a tool just like moves or blood or southern tag tricks or spots or weapons or whatever else. A lot of the discussion we have is split into a couple of categories. 1.) How good are the tools? 2.) How well does a wrestler use the tools he has? In this regard, when it comes to look, I think we do a pretty good job hitting #2 a lot of the time. Maybe not enough focus is given to #1 when it comes to "look." Wrestlers have to work extremely hard to get a good body just like they have to in order to hit moves smoothly and what not. It's not a big issue to me because I care about #2 a hundred times more and I'll factor that in just as much as I will anything else. That means that if Mike Shaw was able to utilize his look extremely well to have good matches, I'd value that as much as Scott Steiner doing the same, all other things equal.

I just hate when soundcloud crashes when I'm 2:36:00 into a 4 hour podcast because I have to listen over the span of two weeks. It's better with the iPhone6. I wish that it could remember where i am on multiple podcasts at once. I had an MP3 Player that could do that with multiple audio files.

Miz preparing to do the Giant Swing is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuFQEYXrffs&app=desktop that one?

The cool thing about ten years from now is that there'll be a backlash against "storytelling" and towards action in three years or so and then there'll be another backlash against that backlash and things'll come full circle by the end of it and everyone will appreciate Jerry Lawler again.

I feel like we need to poke at this a bit.

I think there probably is JUST enough footage with Jones and he's better than people would have reason to think. That's the general exploratory mindset (PWO conventional wisdom). Valentine probably doesn't have quite enough though.

If the wrestling is good now, was good six months ago, and will probably be good in six months, then why does it matter? It's not a political party or a union you're a part of or something. It's a pro-wrestling company and you're a consumer of their product, not some sort of shareholder.

We're almost to the end of the matches we know about. Bock vs Brody from the Race vs Halcon night is still on deck, as is Dusty vs Graham? Lewin vs Brody, Lewin vs Gino, Jake vs Humungous, The Valentine/Wahoo match, whatever that is (as well as some of the shared tape like Bruno vs Graham), and Stomper vs Casey, plus that Conway Jr/Sr vs Lewin/Hart, and a few more Gino matches from the previous set.

The dynamic duo stuff has been right down your alley. I'm with both of you on Apolo. He's Hansen to Mil's Brody. Maybe even the other way around. It was still a fun match just for how the heels feed.

I love the heart punch. But mainly used by Stan Stasiak. It's so great in both the Buddy Rose matches and the Andre match. You guys just haven't seen those yet. I hate any move that involves a wrestler dangling from the corner forever, like Dragon Lee's double stomp (which Del Rio uses too). It's okay in trios when they have the partners set it up, but in general, it's stuff that's too obviously collaborative that bugs me the most.

I blame you for jinxing things.

Quick comments. I liked Patera vs Lothario. The bearhug was a bit much maybe but I still think they worked it well. JJ was awesome in his role. He brought so much more to the table than Gary Hart in what we've seen. Patera is a perfect stooging heel to eat Lothario's punches. Good effective wrestling. It's the sort of thing we take for granted because it comes in a sea of matches. If it was the only thing to pop up, we'd value it a lot more. I actively liked Duggan vs Mil too. This is the card with Lucas vs Gino and Tully vs Morton on it so that's cool right there. 82 Duggan feels immediately special. He's just got this reckless heel energy to him. He bumps all over the ring for Mil's stuff with an off-beat charisma that's just electric. He's wild in the way you always hope Brody is (I had a weird Monty Brown vibe from him actually). It's a 12 minute 2/3 fall sprint, basically, but it's well worth watching.

I think I missed this thread before. I'm not entirely sure what to do with it now.

You guys know this. They decide the poster images months in advanced and usually without any idea what the card is, often times with just something that fits the theme. Dean Ambrose is the extreme guy. it makes sense he'd be on the poster. Payback had the Wyatts who weren't on the card, etc.

Really interesting line up of matches. Looking forward to this. EDIT: Potential Houston Bock matches we might still get, just from we know about, in no order: Lothario (at least 1), Rocky Johnson (x3), Dick Slater (x3), Wahoo (x2), Dusty (x2 or x3), Tommy Rich, Mil Mascaras, Scott Casey (x2), JYD (x2-3), Tito Santana (x2-3), Chavo (at least 1), Tony Atlas (at least 1), Mr. Wrestling II (at least 1), Johnny Rich, Ivan Putski, Brody(a few, including one on deck). If we get even half of those... Also, there's an 6/13/86 Hansen no contest. I have no idea if that's been out there before. EDIT 2: That's just from 78 on too. If the wrestling gods are smiling on us, we might get this too: 10/21/77 – Houston, TX @ the Sam Houston Coliseum AWA Champion Nick Bockwinkel vs. Terry Funk Also the 77 card with him vs Lothario AND Funk because Harley no-showed but I'm not sure if that was at the Summit.

For people who did get votes, Thatcher seems like a guy that could end up in the top 100. He has good stuff from when, 09? It's the sort of thing that'll add up. I could see Kamaitachi ending relatively high depending on where he goes next. He didn't get any votes at all, right?

I honestly think it's an accident.