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To me, the parallel on the first two falls sort of redeemed it. I can see how you'd feel otherwise, but I liked it in a bubble. I was also thinking about all of those long AJPW tag matches I've seen lately where I felt like a two/three fall structure could have helped it a lot and I think it actually did help break things up here without really taking away from the story they were trying to tell. It felt a lot like one of those long finishing stretches but it felt more fitting to me somehow due to those two falls having already happened, if that makes sense.

I wonder if this is a way to get people's mind off Rollins so he can cash in at the end of the show (especially after Reigns wins?). Part of me half thinks that they should run Cena vs Brock and a Shield Three Way for the title at Summerslam now.

I didn't mind the short first two falls, and I thought it was interesting how they came so abruptly after the hot tags to make it so that the Wyatts kept the advantage until the Usos could really start to fight back. They built a pretty damn good sense of escalation too.

I don't get how anyone wins but Cesaro with all the losses he's had lately.

To me the issue is a lack of stakes. With Cena there was some sense of the soul of the WWE being at stake. Bryan obviously had the whole joining thing. With Jericho, it doesn't really matter. You need stakes with a character like Wyatt.

They've been trying to push Main Event as a network draw.

What I am arguing is that the Internet allowed for certain "elite" ideas to spread on an exponentially larger degree than would've been possible otherwise. It was still ultimately a minority Albeit a loud one, but it was a huge shift that thanks to the growth of social media creating sort of a second wave Led to The booking at the start of this year. It was a KeyPoint if not the key point of change. Edit: I should try this again when I have a keyboard again.

I was going off of the WIFA conventions or whatever when I used the term. Do you really feel like the ease of access to information previously harder to get changed nothing at all? No one is saying that everyone was stupid until suddenly they weren't. No one is saying that no one talked about this stuff with their brother. Dave came from a pre-existing tradition. Still things changed because of a new generation of people who were able to access this information not by sending away for it or even trying but because it was really easy to find for free. If you can just admit that point we can talk about the how and the why.

Which brings us back to the issue of ratio, which is where this argument really needs to be. When the "secret society" stopped being secret and opens up, for free, to any kid on the net.

Calling spots wasn't real mystery to me as a kid. I had no idea how they could possibly have rehearsed an ENTIRE match. I knew they had to have managed it somehow but it seemed so difficult.

Nord in 91 is pretty damn underrated.

I'm pretty consistent at least?* *except about Sting The big issue with Brody is the myth where 95% of people stating it haven't seen much if at all of him to realize how wrong it is, with much of the rest having not seen him in decades. He's the ultimate case of false advertising which is even more of an issue than the no-selling.

Poor Sting is underrated.

Obviously something he did twenty years ago influenced someone to cause this to happen, so he gets credited?

16 time loser.

Vinnie Vegas?

Everyone loves fat Neidhart

I think it'd be kind of hilarious if they end up having to push Ziggler because there's no one else. I mean, horrible with all the injuries, but yeah.

In all honesty, since they started out as babyfaces, Dustin was sort of a great choice. Either they could turn on him or he could go heel with them to huge heat as he betrayed his daddy's ideals.

Sweet Daddy Falcone?

Can he go back to CMLL or did he leave on bad terms?

He's going over at the PPV with a bunch of potential challengers, but he's going to have to start from the bottom in beating them all again.