Matt D

I was looking at my own stuff on the board to see where and when I used control. I don't use it much. Fifteen posts out of my 4442 maybe. The main place I saw was when a babyface was using matwork/holds as a base for the first part of a match. They're not getting heat on anyone since they're the babyface, and it's usually a case where the heel should be more dominant (see Race vs Martel from Portland, where Bonnema even calls it "Control and Containment" while on the mic as he explained it really, really well, or something like the Killer Bees or Rogueaus vs Demolition) and are just held at bay by the babyface grabbing a bodypart and sitting on it. Admittedly it's not the only time I use it (I see that I used it for limbwork that Goldust did to the Undertaker, but that's sort of the same idea. I think I occasionally use it subconsciously when i feel like the limbwork isn't going anywhere but is either killing time or is about just containing someone), but it's the main, by far.

This is a good resource if you want to see what the results were for the Monday night shows between TV. http://prowrestlinghistory.com/memphis/index.html

As a kid, I had no idea why PNW was in the back with its own rankings since I'd never heard of anyone there. ICW too.

There was definitely a time in 98-99 as I was finishing up high school that I went to Scoops and 1wrestling more than once a day.

From the post King of the Ring 95 WON. I thought this was interesting.

I thought Vic Steamboat was a big deal because he always seemed to have a belt.

The bigger point is that they were positioning WCW as WWF's equal though. That's a bigger issue than singling out poor Steve.

Wouldn't that be early 90s WCW in general then? Not just Sting?

I think IWC is a useful historical term for the Monday Night Wars era.

Brody seems like a pretty easy choice here, the Road Warriors as well. I remember when I was reading them as a kid, in 92 or so, the Philadelphia stuff with Gilbert and Cactus Jack would get play and I wouldn't have known about that otherwise, certainly.

Somehow, I fear for the next generation.

Oh, my opinions now are pretty different from back then. Hogan vs Michaels is an interesting discussion for instance. I'm not sure where I'd fall on that. Wrestling has nothing to do with how many moves you do. I'm not 10 anymore.

Before I had any influence from the magazines, I liked the Rockers and Brian Pillman more and hated Hulk Hogan (because he always only ever did the same three moves) and Jim Duggan and the Bushwhackers, but I also liked Ultimate Warrior and the Young Pistols and Shane Douglas and Tom Zenk and any high-flying type babyface or someone who seemed really energetic. I liked Arn Anderson a lot too but that was sort of beside the point. I just liked the Spinebuster. I absolutely hated Hogan because he only did three moves though. it had nothing to do with him winning or losing.

I actually think that Dibiase has a few other slightly more minor but still pretty great angles. 1. Buying Hercules 2. Jake the Snake stealing the Million Dollar belt and Bossman turning face after getting it back. 3. Hart selling out the Disasters for Money Inc.

I don't disagree about Meltzer influencing Keith. I actually that's HOW Meltzer is most important, actually, by influencing the next generation of voices who became big with the birth of the internet, since it was those voices who really popularized things you credit Meltzer for.

I really feel like we're only starting to get past workrate dogmatism, maybe in the last few years, which I, again, think is a combination of Indy style burnout (we got too much of what we thought we wanted), Benoit/Misawa dying and how they died, and so much more older footage being so easily available.

I started to do so with Flair but I just don't have time right now. Looking at Piper quickly, though. 1. The angle where he goaded Chavo Sr. into striking him and losing a pure wrestling trophy because of that sounds pretty cool? 2. Buddy Rose burning the kilt 3. The angle where he turned babyface by saving Gordon Solie from Muraco 4. Coconut + Snuka 5. Attacking Lauper and co. 6. Getting attacked by Adonis 7. His Role in Virgil turning? 8. When he came out by surprise to confront Hogan in WCW

I'd be sort of amazed if the answer isn't Flair or Dusty.