GSR
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In light of some of the recent nominations for present day British guys, trying to balance it out a little.
Ken Joyce
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/21054-steve-grey/ (two reviews in this thread)
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/15983-the-beginners-guide-to-british-wrestling/
Vic Faulkner
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/28940-johnny-saint/
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/21054-steve-grey/
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/15983-the-beginners-guide-to-british-wrestling/
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I intend to try and intersperse my Smoky Mountain watching with some World of Sport that I haven't seen, and anything for anyone who does't have a thread in the microscope I will whack up here. First up, someone who at times irritates the hell out of me, and at others I just find a joy, Vic Faulkner.
Vic Faulkner vs Roy Paul (03.08.78)
This match is part of a team tournament where the 'TV All-Stars' (of which Faulkner is a member) are taking on the 'Liverpool Skinheads'. Paul is not a skinhead, but it transpires that at least he is Liverpudlian. These tournaments see each team comprise of three men and there are three single bouts before a one final six man at the end of the night. This is my first time seeing Paul and he is wearing what looks like Daisy Dukes with a pair of braces!
Paul sets the tone for the bout early by healing it up (attacking Faulkner when he's on the ropes, using headbutts), almost admitting that he's is not going to be able to compete with Faulkner is a scientific contest. Arm stretch by Faulkner before Paul traps him in a headscissors. Headstand escape and Faulkner turns his attention to Paul's left leg. Nice single leg into full boston crab but Paul powers out. Headscissors by Faulkner, but this time Paul starts biting his leg to force the escape. A closed fist behind the ref's back from Paul and the bell rings to signal the end of Round One. Faulkner comes straight out with a dropkick at the start of the second but Paul steps out the way and Faulkner just hits fresh air. More biting from Paul, but this time Faulkner retaliates by biting his hand. Both become more aggressive (no comedy from Vic today!) before a sloppy criss cross spot. Paul drags Faulkner's arm along the ropes and Max Ward has had enough, finally giving him his first public warning. Paul with a headlock and Ward gets trapped in the corner. As Faulkner breaks he goes to forearm Paul who moves and he hits Ward instead. For some reason Ward blames Paul and as he admonishes him, Faulkner comes through Ward's legs and attacks Paul. Into the third and Faulkner is on top. Paul reverses something resembling a nerve hold with one of his own and as Faulkner gets the escape he backs Paul into the ropes, however he comes back immediately with a bodyslam and covers Faulkner. Vic's leg is outside the ropes but Max Ward doesn't see this and counts the pin. Ring announcer Tony Harris then steps into the ring, tells Ward what happens who then disallows the fall and says the match will continue. Paul goes to argue with Ward and the bell rings to restart the bout. Faulkner dropkicks Paul who then rebounds back off the ropes and falls over Faulkner who had crouched behind him in a schoolboy. Folding press and Faulkner gets the pin in just 7 seconds of the restarted bout.
This was an okay 'opener' and supposed served its purpose for the team tournament, but I didn't think much of it and it didn't really do anything for me. Despite being a supposed six year amateur prior to turning pro Paul wasn't very good. He was awkward in his movements and it appeared he was trying to combine parts of Jim Breaks and Sid Cooper with his heel tendencies, but clearly wasn't in the league of those two. Faulkner was fine and worked pretty hard but the issue was with Paul, although he did get the crowd into the bout. The false finish was a nice surprise, but what came after wasn't as you 'knew' what the end result was going to be.
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Not seen almost anything of his from the past five years, but when people used to rave about him from the 2000's I just didn't get it. Felt he was incredibly sloppy back then and as if his matches were just running through a segment of pre-planned spots. Not in the same ballpark as a contemporary like Doug Williams.
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I remember from past posts that I'm a lot higher on Jordan than you are and there is a bout against Saint from the 80s that I strongly rate.
Thomson is there off the back of three matches; again you can argue whether that is enough to judge him, but that is almost all we have. The match against Sarjeant is a must see classic, the one against Trood is a notch below and there was one against Majid Ackra that I also highly enjoyed. As far as I know the only other match of his on tape (pre-Exorcist) is one against Brian Maxine which I haven't seen. I would rank all three of these above anything I have seen involving St. Clair.
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St. Clair is an interesting case. When I first started watching WoS, I thought his work was too loose. Then I thought he was a decent foil for heels like McManus, Kincaid and Bond. And then I thought he was a legitimately good worker. He'll always have my respect for continue to improve and work hard during the late 80s and early 90s when there wasn't a "WoS" anymore. I wish he had stayed w/ Joint in the early 80s and not gone to All-Star so we'd have the same volume of matches from him as Roach, Singh and Steele, but money changes everything. I can think of at least five great St. Clair matches from the WoS era, which ought to have him knocking on a top 30. I'd like to see MM's list.
Admittedly this list includes the likes of Sarjeant and Thomson where we only have a handful of footage of either, but I would have no problem putting the following above St. Clair (in alphabetical order, although Grey, Breaks and Cortez would be the top three):
Boscik, Breaks, Cooper, Cortez, Cullen, Faulkner, Finlay, Grey, Haward, Jones, Jordan, Joyce, Kellett, Johnny Kidd, Kilby, McManus, Myers, Roach, Roberts, Rocco, Saint, Sarjeant, Steele, Szakacs, Thomson, Turpin and Veidor.
I've yet to see any Terry Rudge who gets heavily praised by most and I would also have both Dynamite and Young David over him too. So definitely doesn't hit a top 29 at least, and likelihood is with a bit more thinking, checking my notes, old reviews etc I could probably add to that list.
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The audio is up on youtube is anyone isn't a subscriber to the Observer.
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I will continue to post new topics for each show so they will be self contained and we can discuss anything. From this show I would be very interested to hear if you all liked the Volunteer Slam or not and if you are like us (and mostly didn't) what you would have done to change things up. We go over a couple of scenarios in this episode.
Here is what I wrote about the main event from what I posted in the Yearbook forums. I wasn't enamored one bit with their first title being awarded on a DQ and Bullet Bob playing Superman one bit!
Lee had defeated Tony Anthony in the semi finals of the tournament and had bled fairly profusely during the match. The introductions are being made for the final and Bob Armstrong is in the ring with Paul Orndorff. Armstrong says that Lee lost a lot of blood, has a shoulder injury and as a result has no other alternative but to award the belt to Orndorff. Lee comes out all bandaged up, carrying his shoulder and says that he's come too far to let some doctor tell him he can't win the belt. The action is okay and Lee works hard, but the finish is something else. Referee Mark Curtis get KO'ed from a very contrived Orndorff elbow and then Bob Armstrong gets in the ring to try an revive him. Behind his back the Dirty White Boy comes out and throws some knux to Orndorff. He ends up trying to punch Lee with them but he blocks it, they start fighting over the knux, Armstrong turns round sees them on Orndorff's fist and DQ's him awarding the belt to Lee. Anthony and Orndorff attack Lee after the match at which point Armstrong gets physically involved, dropping Anthony and then Buddy Landell and Barry Horowitz who both come out for some reason. The locker room empties to try and separate everyone. In the dressing room Orndorff says that there has been a conspiracy against him ever since he arrived, and next time Bob Armstrong sticks his nose in his business he's going to piledrive him as he's sick and tired of all this.So SMW awarded their first Heavyweight championship on a DQ finish. When I saw Lee come out I was expecting Orndorff to take the whole match and Lee to get almost a 'fluke' roll up win, but what we got was far worst. Despite coming out for the match all beaten up, the finish made Lee look weak and no idea what they were doing having Armstrong playing Superman against everyone. At least Orndorff's post match interview was great, but this was one terrible ending. If Pete's guess was correct and Orndorff didn't want to job, just DQ him against Horner in the first round and let someone else do the clean finish in the final. Completely ass backwards booking.
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There's a bit of talk about it here:
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/31102-best-youtube-dailymotion-channels/page-5
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There's no one better to just sit and listen to talk about old school wrestling than Cornette.
I don't know if he could drop the schtick for an interview, but I'd love to hear Bolin talk about his young days around Cornette, taping wrestling, trying to find different wrestling.
Great shout on Bolin. Don't think I've ever heard or seen anything with him when he is not in full on gimmick mode.
Haven't listened to all of this yet, but as per your previous episode with him, so good to hear Cornette in this environment just talking old wrestling and especially liking the talk on ICW.
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Has anyone seen his early Hammerlock stuff? I've got a bunch of compilations but the quality on the DVD conversions are very hit and miss that it makes them a trial to get through. His stuff against Andre used to get tons of praise, but they may have been of the time (were ECW influenced (frying pan ladder anyone!)) and may not hold up well. Still that gives him nigh on two decades working a variety of styles, in various places all over the world against a whole variety of different opponents.
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On another topic stop Kris needs to stop referring to stuff he 'can't talk about' on the show. Will tries his best to keep listeners informed of the insider jokes that get made all the time, but when he doesn't get the reference and you won't explain it? Man, it just grinds the show to halt and wastes time.
Agree fully with this. If you are not prepared to talk about something on the show why bring it up? As a listener it's very infuriating when something is touched on or mentioned (like this thing with Baron Corbin) and then not fully elaborated on or explained. It happens on Between the Sheets too.
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When he was under contract, I always imagined a Danny Burch/Wade Barratt tag team of yobbo Brits would be a lot of fun. Fun match, first time they've let Burch get a little offence in on his squashes. Strange to see a match between two non-contracted guys on WWE programming.
I've not seen any of Stone's UK stuff, but I remember him being tremendous in an old Chikara 'King of Trios' teaming with Terry Frazier and Sha Samuels doing that exact yobbish, hooligan gimmick.
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I sort of get Godfather but Jacqueline has me baffled. Not really that up on her Miss Texas stuff, but neither is anyone from WWE I suspect. She was lousy in the ring in WWF by diva standards too and not over in the slightest.
Lawler for starters sure would be, as he was there whenever she was and she was also involved in some angles with him. Same goes for Bruno Lauer if he is still involved in the WWE in some backstage capacity.
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you know, we could have a thread on wrestlers with interesting stories in boxing
just off the top of my head we have wight, JW storm, derrick dukes...plus guys with legit success in the sport like mero.
count me as another who never knew about this whole story. great work!
Paul Roma was another who flirted with boxing and I've vague memories of Brian Adams too.
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It was an epic battle and I hope my 3rd appearance will be a WIN. I was glad I got the point back for that Don Leo Jonathan response. The questions Parv got in the 10 count I would have gotten with ease.
Hahaha, you say this every episode! You seem to know all the answers to all the questions ever set on the show bar the ones you get asked! You always claim if you had your opponents questions you would have won, or if you were on any other episode you would have won. Hahaha.
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Listening to this earlier, in the Mike Sharpe talk is it possible Brian was getting him confused with Steve Lombardi when he thought he did something with Bad News Brown? Lombardi and Brown worked a few tag matches together before splitting and having a match with each other.
McAdam had a copy of that Rod Price incident on one of his tapes, but his is the only list I've ever seen it on.
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The Nomination Thread
in 2016
Chic Cullen
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/15983-the-beginners-guide-to-british-wrestling/ (plenty of reviews in this)
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/29513-keith-haward/