October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484507 All that means is Heenan has pretty terrible taste in "great matches" to me.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484522 Someone C/P tomk's post on "technical wrestler" as purely a gimmick term please. More a thought that expanded over several posts through the years. If you give a guy the "gimmick" of being a "technical wrestler" the rubes on the internet will talk about what a good worker he is. Doesn't matter if he isn't very good. Doesn't matter how poor his execution is. It's a gimmick that appeals to internet fans. Technical wrestler gimmick is more along the lines of King of Rock n Roll, King of Pop, Hardest working man in Show Buissness, King of Soul, etc...gimmick Technical wrestler gimmick isn't about how a wrestler is technically...the "gimmick" is about pulling off the claim to be great technical. My point was poorly worded. It wasn't that it requires that one be a bad technical wrestler. It was that the technique and the gimmick are seperate entities. The point is that it's a gimmick. Bernard Hopkins is a great technical boxer but I don't think he works a "technical "gimmick...He works a savvy vet gimmick most of the time. Terry Funk was as technically sound as Dory Funk. If you watch the seventies Terry, I could see arguing that Terry may have been the more technical of the two. Dory worked technical wrestler gimmick, Terry didn't. Kikuchi is as Dynamite Kid influenced as Benoit. Kikuchi is very technically skilled. No one would claim that he's working a technical wrestler gimmick. Ogawa has clearly watched alot of Bret Hart and Flair. He's pretty technically skilled. No one would say he's working a technical wrestler gimmick. MENS Teioh worships at the altar of Dory Funk and Bret Hart. Technically skilled wrestler who no one would ever claim is working a technical wrestler gimmick.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484528 It works the opposite way too. Someone with the gimmick of being unskilled/untalented (Cena, for example), is revered as being a "bad worker" among sections of Internet smarkdom. Ted DiBiase was presented as a technical wrestler by Bill Watts, despite the bulk of his matches being punches and the loaded glove. How you present someone works across the board, no matter how "smart" someone thinks they are, everyone is worked by gimmicks to one degree or another. "technical wrestler" is a very undefined, empty term... because it has no merit beyond being a gimmick used by promoters/commentators to market/present someone as being particularly "skilled".
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484533 All that means is Heenan has pretty terrible taste in "great matches" to me. At the time, I thought it meant that Heenen hadn't watched much wrestling in years. It's easy to be blown away by something you're unfamiliar with. See Bruce Mitchell calling the ROH Dragon Gate trios match the best match ever.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484535 All that means is Heenan has pretty terrible taste in "great matches" to me. At the time, I thought it meant that Heenen hadn't watched much wrestling in years. It's easy to be blown away by something you're unfamiliar with. See Bruce Mitchell calling the ROH Dragon Gate trios match the best match ever. You're probably right. But I need to vent my life's frustration and sadness these days.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484540 On the other hand, the Muppets are the kings of working in dangerous environments. If the payoff to all of this is that Trips has to step down and Kermit takes over as CEO because he has a better track record of keeping a show running where the performers are all completely out of control, I could support that. If that happens, I'm definitely watching Raw more often.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484541 Oh, and since we brought up HHH and the Muppets showing up, I can't resist: Statler: "Well, that HHH match is what you call a medium match?" Waldorf: "Why do you call it a medium match?" Statler: "Well, it wasn't rare... and it certainly wasn't well done!" (Hearty old man laughter ensues)
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484542 Regarding that Wrestling Classics list of draws, Buddy Rogers' number for the 60's is simply amazing considering, other than a brief comback or two, he was essentially done in the ring by 1963. He must have been just on fire from 1960-63. And now back to our regularly scheduled program...
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484544 I don't think "technical wrestler" is completely meaningless. I'd use the term to describe someone whose offense is based around holds and leverage-based takedowns as opposed to strikes. It's just that there hasn't been a purely technical wrestler since like the 70s. Even Bret Hart's offense was centered around punches and stomps.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484548 I think it's ironic that in this particular argument, Cena is being regarded as a bad worker and HHH is being regarded as a good worker. I tend to think that Cena is a good worker and HHH is a mediocre worker. I mean, how many good to great matches with a huge variety of workers does Cena need to have before he gets a little tiny bit of credit.
October 7, 201113 yr comment_5484556 Regarding that Wrestling Classics list of draws, Buddy Rogers' number for the 60's is simply amazing considering, other than a brief comback or two, he was essentially done in the ring by 1963. He must have been just on fire from 1960-63. He was on fire. There also were a limited number of arenas that there is 10K+ data on. MSG is well covered. It also was large, with some margin of error in getting to 10K The Olympic out here in LA was technically a shade under 10K. There might be worked and/or "standing room only" 10K+ crowds. But when you're right around 10K for a territory's top building, you basically have to sell it out to get on the list. So which Buddy was only active for a short period, he was red hot in the right set of buildings to get it done. John
October 8, 201113 yr comment_5484575 Back to the central topic of the thread. Dave made a good point about the composition of the walkout. They're willing to sacrifice the entire midcard to get HHH over as an uber-babyface, but they can't afford to have the crowd turn on Eve Torres? Somebody's priorities are seriously out of whack.
October 9, 201113 yr comment_5484632 WWE Raw's mass walkout on Triple H was a last minute decision by Vince McMahon
October 9, 201113 yr comment_5484662 There's a piece on WWE.com drawing parallels between the walkout and NBA lockout. And a few of the heels are using #OccupyRaw hashtags on Twitter. Oh, lordy. The upcoming Raw is in Oklahoma City. I wonder if the obligatory humiliation of JR will tie into the angle.
October 10, 201113 yr comment_5484689 I admit I haven't paid any attention to WWE outside of this board and some YouTube videos now and then, so I'll ask: They are running an angle where a majority of the roster quit working because of a run-in?
October 10, 201113 yr comment_5484693 A couple run ins and probably cause of the HHH/Punk feud. All I know is I'm kinda looking forward to Raw this week.
October 10, 201113 yr comment_5484711 There's a piece on WWE.com drawing parallels between the walkout and NBA lockout. And a few of the heels are using #OccupyRaw hashtags on Twitter. Oh, lordy. Well, at least they're more in touch with things than when they did the Roddy Piper-Goldust OJ car chase long after that sort of thing still had humour.
October 11, 201113 yr comment_5484815 I just love the idea of someone trying to explain Rob Naylor to Vince.
October 11, 201113 yr comment_5484825 I just love the idea of someone trying to explain Rob Naylor to Vince. ?????
October 11, 201113 yr comment_5484827 I picture Vince yelling at grey-haired Billy Kidman, who had been looking at his watch carefully, asking him who the hell Rob Naylor is and Kidman shrugging and doing his Al Wilson impression which Vince somehow loves.
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