Posted August 13, 201312 yr comment_5556159 I nominate Jeff Jarrett. He was around for the ass-end of USWA in Texas, a Main Eventer in 00-01 WCW, and a Main Eventer in TNA - a promotion that has seemingly been circling the drain since it's first show. Who else?
August 13, 201312 yr comment_5556161 Kevin Nash, with the exception of: * the initial "bodyguard" stage of Diesel * the initial jump to WCW We could cut those two off at: * Diesel as WWF champ being a Bob Brown moment * Nash over Goldberg being a Bob Brown moment
August 13, 201312 yr comment_5556164 My first thought was honestly Scott Steiner as a singles guy. Or to make things easier him as "Big Poppa Pump". His main event pushes almost always seem to coincide with downturns or else TNA (). What are his real main event runs? Some abortive attempt circa 91 in WCW. Then WCW in 2001 and vs. HHH for the World title some time in 2002-3? Then at some point in TNA right? Scott Steiner is my call.
August 13, 201312 yr comment_5556182 Would a "Bob Brown type" need to be a guy who may not be any good, but was working in such a dull territory that he was actually the best option? Or are we just talking about poor company aces? Poor company aces are common, I think the first example is much more interesting, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
August 14, 201312 yr Author comment_5556187 Would a "Bob Brown type" need to be a guy who may not be any good, but was working in such a dull territory that he was actually the best option? Or are we just talking about poor company aces? Poor company aces are common, I think the first example is much more interesting, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. Good question. My answer would be "whatever keeps this thread from bogging down into mind-numbing tedium", but that's just an opinion Take it in whatever direction you want. Who was at the top of AJPW during the mass exodus, and would that guy fit our criteria?
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556201 Larry Z at the end of the AWA. He's decent enough, but nothing he's ever accomplished would make you think "top guy." But the AWA talent pool was in the toilet by that point.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556220 His feud with Bruno Sammartino disagrees with you. True. Not taking anything away from Larry, but I think anyone could have been plugged into that role with Bruno and it would still draw.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556222 No, because what made the feud special is that Bruno's protege, who had debuted 6-7 years prior and had always been a babyface, betrayed him and left him pool of his own blood, basically out of the sheer frustration of not being able to escape his massive shadow.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556223 Who was at the top of AJPW during the mass exodus, and would that guy fit our criteria? Misawa, who was trying to elevate Kobashi to the spot. After the exodus, they went with Tenryu... but he's a sacred cow, so we best not use him. Then they brought in Keiji Mutoh, with Mrs. Baba gave him a lot of power for that. Then they went back to Kawada, but he got hurt instantly... and it was back to Tenryu and Mutoh for another year. Basically Oct 2000 through Feb 2003 was them. Yep, works for me. Misawa, Kobashi, Tenryu and Mutoh. John
August 14, 201312 yr Author comment_5556225 Yep, works for me. Misawa, Kobashi, Tenryu and Mutoh. I love that somehow, some way, those four guys were compared to Bulldog Bob Brown
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556229 Yep, works for me. Misawa, Kobashi, Tenryu and Mutoh. I love that somehow, some way, those four guys were compared to Bulldog Bob Brown It's not my fault that you asked a question and I was forced to answer it!
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556232 Zbyszko was a great worker and a good promo. There was just no reason for him to be a top guy beyond family loyalty. Bob Brown had no redeeming qualities. He couldn't work. He wasn't a good promo. He wasn't a beloved local hero who was way over the hill like late period George Becker or someone like that. What makes it all more ridiculous is that not only did he homestead his best friend's territory, but when it closed, he rode his nephew Kerry Brown's coat tails into being booked all over Canada for another 6-7 years. Kerry wasn't a great worker anymore, but he was a good veteran hand who was valuable to Stampede, WFWA/IWA Winnipeg, Grand Prix in the Maritimes, etc, and Bob followed him everywhere until he retired in 1996.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556235 Funny side note to this rash of Bob Brown fetishism: The only time Dave and I got intensely negative feedback for a Wrestling Culture show was a commentator on the Maritimes show at Kayfabe Memories who was incensed that Dave, Andrew and myself trashed the great Bob Brown. My troll answer to the question posed by this is Sting. My more serious darkhorse answer might be Lance Storm, though he was never a real main eventer.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556240 Zbyszko was a great worker and a good promo. There was just no reason for him to be a top guy beyond family loyalty. Bob Brown had no redeeming qualities. He couldn't work. He wasn't a good promo. He wasn't a beloved local hero who was way over the hill like late period George Becker or someone like that. What makes it all more ridiculous is that not only did he homestead his best friend's territory, but when it closed, he rode his nephew Kerry Brown's coat tails into being booked all over Canada for another 6-7 years. Kerry wasn't a great worker anymore, but he was a good veteran hand who was valuable to Stampede, WFWA/IWA Winnipeg, Grand Prix in the Maritimes, etc, and Bob followed him everywhere until he retired in 1996. For the record, I like Larry I was just trying to think of a circumstance where a promotion was falling apart and used somebody in a top role where they probably wouldn't get that opportunity anywhere else. I guess this means there's only one Bulldog Bob Brown
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556242 Al MadrilAl Madril is a pretty good choice. By the time they started pushing him as a heel in WCCW you could tell it was WAY down from the peak era.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556243 Funny side note to this rash of Bob Brown fetishism: The only time Dave and I got intensely negative feedback for a Wrestling Culture show was a commentator on the Maritimes show at Kayfabe Memories who was incensed that Dave, Andrew and myself trashed the great Bob Brown. My troll answer to the question posed by this is Sting. My more serious darkhorse answer might be Lance Storm, though he was never a real main eventer. Justin Credible might be a better choice then.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556244 Who was at the top of AJPW during the mass exodus, and would that guy fit our criteria? Misawa, who was trying to elevate Kobashi to the spot. After the exodus, they went with Tenryu... but he's a sacred cow, so we best not use him. Then they brought in Keiji Mutoh, with Mrs. Baba gave him a lot of power for that. Then they went back to Kawada, but he got hurt instantly... and it was back to Tenryu and Mutoh for another year. Basically Oct 2000 through Feb 2003 was them. Yep, works for me. Misawa, Kobashi, Tenryu and Mutoh. John Is Naoya Ogawa a good pick?
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556246 Funny side note to this rash of Bob Brown fetishism: The only time Dave and I got intensely negative feedback for a Wrestling Culture show was a commentator on the Maritimes show at Kayfabe Memories who was incensed that Dave, Andrew and myself trashed the great Bob Brown. My troll answer to the question posed by this is Sting. My more serious darkhorse answer might be Lance Storm, though he was never a real main eventer. Justin Credible might be a better choice then. Credible was a LOT better than STorm
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556248 Throwing another name out there: Was Sid ever a draw anywhere? When I think of his main event runs, I think of him getting pushed opposite Hogan when the WWF/Hulkamania were fading from their glory days, having off and on main event runs in the WWF during some dark days for them when, for the roles he played, they didn't have much else, and being a main eventer in WCW, with his run starting from pretty much when the Monday Night Wars were already kaput. Is there anything I'm missing of the guy that could say the opposite of all this?
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556256 Sid could have been a draw as a face in early 92. I feel pretty strongly about that. It's hypothetical though. He did main event a number of house shows in 91 vs Undertaker so I guess people could look at those figures.
August 14, 201312 yr comment_5556266 My impression of Sid is that's he's the bonafide "gets cheered when he should be getting booed" guy: in his early Skyscrapers run, vs. Hogan in 92, vs. Shawn in 96. I don't know what it says about him though. That he couldn't show ass? That he couldn't get over effectively as a heel? That he was really over? I don't know. Pretty sure it never translated into box office. Think Sid is also a guy who was so bad in the ring, and known to be such a problem out of it, that no promotion is ever really going to trust him in the top spot for any amount of time.
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