June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852204 The first Wargames was released on home video right? I seem to remember commercials for it back in the day. Then again Turner Home Video was notorious for butchering shows to fit it on video tape so maybe what's on the network is the better version.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852205 Conrad says the new episode on the topic of ECW on Syfy will not be going up tonight due to "creative differences" and WWE wanting to edit it, so it will be up Friday instead.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852206 I'm listening to the podcast version now, actually, and while there are some good bits, there isn't a ton that seems controversial. It's not like Steph is painted in too negative a light or anything (I remember him saying that she'd probably follow Vince's lead on RVD getting punished, for instance). I'm leaning towards "work" (which would of course make it the dumbest work).
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852207 I could think of two reasons WWE would want to edit discussion of ECW on Syfy: 1. It was the show where Vince laid down the edict that no one would mention Chris Benoit ever again. 2. It was the show where CM Punk started getting momentum to become a star and WWE is salty they just lost the lawsuit they were (allegedly) funding.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852209 The first Wargames was released on home video right? I seem to remember commercials for it back in the day. Then again Turner Home Video was notorious for butchering shows to fit it on video tape so maybe what's on the network is the better version. Don't get me started on those Turner video's they ruined so many shows on the UK releases cutting matches for no reason.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852213 The beginning of the end? Something To Wrestle With Bruce Prichard 29 mins · Heads up STW fans! No #SomethingElseToWrestle on the WWE Network, today. Bruce and Conrad shot the show this past weekend but “creative differences” are going to keep us off the air today. We’re fighting for us, the fans. Tune in this Friday for WWE’s ECW. _____ Video from Conrad: https://twitter.com/HeyHeyItsConrad/status/1004418487706677248
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852215 1. It was the show where Vince laid down the edict that no one would mention Chris Benoit ever again. Vince said it literally at the end of his show ending promo on the Benoit Tribute Raw. News that the police ruled it murder/suicide was breaking that night.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852217 He opened the ECW show the next night by saying his mention of Benoit's name would be the last time it would be said on WWE TV and that the following show would be them doing what WWE does best, putting smiles on faces. Pretty sure that was how it went, I'm not exactly leaping to go back to that time and rewatch those shows.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852218 I could think of two reasons WWE would want to edit discussion of ECW on Syfy: 1. It was the show where Vince laid down the edict that no one would mention Chris Benoit ever again. 2. It was the show where CM Punk started getting momentum to become a star and WWE is salty they just lost the lawsuit they were (allegedly) funding. I'm probably wrong, but I also think it might have to do with Punk.
June 6, 20187 yr comment_5852221 Doesn't this scream work? They are even advertising it as the most controversial show yet.
June 7, 20187 yr comment_5852281 He opened the ECW show the next night by saying his mention of Benoit's name would be the last time it would be said on WWE TV and that the following show would be them doing what WWE does best, putting smiles on faces. Pretty sure that was how it went, I'm not exactly leaping to go back to that time and rewatch those shows. Yeah that's more or less it. He did say that in the 26(I think it's 26) hours since the news broke the facts have become clear. I felt he'd have been better off saying "the full facts" as the horrible facts were known before raw started. Three people were dead. I realise I'm speaking over ten years after the fact but it would have been better if he'd said that.
June 7, 20187 yr comment_5852346 My memory could be wrong but I think there were enough facts out there by the time Raw went on the air that they shouldn't have done the tribute.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852418 Being that the news broke on a Monday, the timing was extraordinarily bad for WWE. The first thing I knew was that they were all dead, from reading the headline on the company's website. This is just before Twitter and everyone had Facebook, so news did not travel as fast as it did now. If those avenues were as widely available and accessible in 2007 as they are now I have a feeling the news that it was a murder-suicide would have gone more widespread and perhaps before the show that night even aired. My memory of it is that I heard inklings from legit press about the whole mess, just after the show ended. Part of me thinks, and maybe especially now when the company is on the cusp of making a legit fortune from their TV deals, what would be the response if a tragedy or something on that level of controversy happened. Because back then my impression was that it was going to hurt the company deep and nobody would ever look at the business the same again. Yet I couldn't be more wrong about it as I sit here typing this out a decade later.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852449 My memory could be wrong but I think there were enough facts out there by the time Raw went on the air that they shouldn't have done the tribute. Im glad they did the tribute it was great to see some japan Benoit matches.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852466 My memory could be wrong but I think there were enough facts out there by the time Raw went on the air that they shouldn't have done the tribute. Im glad they did the tribute it was great to see some japan Benoit matches. Pardon? You are glad they did a tribute to someone on the day they murdered their family, because you got to see some puro?
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852474 My memory could be wrong but I think there were enough facts out there by the time Raw went on the air that they shouldn't have done the tribute. There was pretty heavy debate on this, but there was enough uncertainity at the time Raw started that it is excusable the show started. About an hour or so into it it was pretty clear what happened and it was looking real bad for them. It was clear based on the "tributes" some people were offering that there was at least some folks considering the possibility and not wanting to be on TV praising a murderer.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852475 I'll never forget Regal on that show. He clearly knew something was wrong.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852483 My running theory on Raw that night is that they had bigger fish to fry than the television show. Get SOMETHING on tv to fill the space and satisfy the advertisers, and move on.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852487 I can believe they were panicking and shell-shocked and didn't know what to do with the news Benoit was likely responsible, but then don't trot people out to praise Benoit that night.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852489 Yeah, the choice they made really is the wrong one. They would have been better off not mentioning it at all. If things get cleared up and he wasn't responsible, you can do the tribute later and no one cares.
June 8, 20187 yr comment_5852503 They were probably so overcome with shock and grief in the moment that they weren't thinking clearly, which is a bit of an understatement. But in the only remotely comparable situation -- Owen Hart dying on a pay-per-view -- they also made some questionable split-second decisions. The mentality when in that very moment that you're learning something that awful would cloud the judgment of most people.
June 9, 20187 yr comment_5852514 Next week's Bruce pod is gonna be on AJ Styles 2010-2013 TNA run. Conrad said they were trying to work a deal for footage from Impact's GWN.
June 9, 20187 yr comment_5852522 My memory could be wrong but I think there were enough facts out there by the time Raw went on the air that they shouldn't have done the tribute. I'll never forget Regal on that show. He clearly knew something was wrong. I can't speak for everybody but that was the moment I knew. I can't even go back and watch but his cryptic words seemed so out of place. You guys can retcon this all you want, when RAW started, almost nobody was thinking that Benoit murdered his family. It was just Eddie Guerrero all over again, a guy in his prime suddenly dead and we were all devastated. You just think home invasion or something. And then Regal comes on... Honestly somebody here would have shit on ANYTHING Vince would have done that night. At least he had the decency to call bullshit on his angles after being "blown up" the week before. You wanting the tribute to not happen means we have to deal with Vince being "dead" too.
June 9, 20187 yr comment_5852524 Remember, though, Benoit had brought up the "family emergency" before going home, and just when specifically have there been instances of someone finding their family dead (from CO poisoning, a home invasion, or whatever) and immediately killing themselves? It's my experience that suicide simply isn't that spontaneous. That said, I'm in the position of someone who was at work until 11pm that night with no Internet or phone access, so by the time I heard about anything happening I was getting the full story at once. I still already knew that Benoit was consciously missing the PPV, though. WWE had options for Monday night. Even running a generic best-of show would have been a better option than what ended up happening.
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