I think the live stream should be 80% stream of consciousness clips. Almost like Liquid Television. People start watching then lose track of time because they have no idea what is going to pop up next.

I think 50% would be better but I agree with the concept wholeheartedly. For full shows, there whould be a schedule. From 11pm to 4 in the afternoon... anything goes on weekdays. On weekends, recreate my 1986 viewing experience.

I have to think the next big increase in subscribers will be when they open it to other countries. On another forum I frequent, the amount of UK'ers trying everything they could to get it when it first went up was quite humorous. I'm certain that will get them over the hump in the numbers they are looking for.

IIRC, the numbers they were hoping for were based off just US subscribers. I think it's safe to assume that they'll get a nice bump in total subscribers when The Network rolls out globally, but I also don't know what they're targeting worldwide.

 

I miss those cliffhangers!

I think WWE should rip that off now that they are trying to push Network subs. "We're out of time but you can see all the action on the WWE Network's Raw Backstage Pass!"

 

 

That was specifically asked on a WO show not too long after the network launched, and the response was it wouldn't be worth pissing off USA by using their show as a sales tool for the network. Of course that was before they signed a new deal so maybe they could do it now.

IIRC, the numbers they were hoping for were based off just US subscribers. I think it's safe to assume that they'll get a nice bump in total subscribers when The Network rolls out globally, but I also don't know what they're targeting worldwide.

 

If they haven't specifically said what that target is it's smart because if they need the bump for their "million subscribers", they can use it and claim that those foreign subs were factored into the number. "Spin to Win", so to speak...

 

What that might mean for the overall network success expectations is another thing.

I thought they did give some profit margins and what not and the million was US only.

 

One thing Meltzer brings up all the time is that we don't know how many people currently are foreign subscribers and a lot of the most eager people probably found a way to subscribe.

I thought they did give some profit margins and what not and the million was US only.

 

One thing Meltzer brings up all the time is that we don't know how many people currently are foreign subscribers and a lot of the most eager people probably found a way to subscribe.

A million for the US sounds about right. I think they were hoping to hit at least 750,000 and were realistically expecting 800,000.

 

I don't know how many non-US people are subscribing. It seems like there's still a lot of internet threads popping up from people around the world who are trying to subscribe. I'm sure there's a chunk of users doing this, but I don't think it's all that significant.

I’m gonna get it for this, but this is where they need somebody like Todd Pettengill. Come up with some corny slogans and advertising and push the hell out of it. Show a bunch of different types of network viewers and show how fun and awesome it is, families eating popcorn on the couch watching the Axl vs. Ian Rotten fued (just kidding, Cena vs. Rock) . ‘There’s all sorts of ways to watch the WWE Network!” “You’re not COOL unless you have the WWE NETWORK! You want to be cool, RIGHT???” Then you could show goofy little snippets of different categories of network viewer:

 

The classic viewer: An older guy showing his son some Flair vs. Steamboat, Hogan vs. Andre, etc.

 

The ADD viewer (this is me): the viewer who can’t decide what to watch so keeps jumping around after two minutes of watching something. “Ooo, Nitro is up now! Ooo, new legends House! Ooo, that Raw with Pillman and the gun! Ooo, the ECW where Sabu comes back!”

 

The comedy viewer: Some goofballs going through the Shockmaster, Mantaur, Ding Dongs etc.

 

The episode viewer (spoofing the Netflix commercial): A couple watching old Raws in order. The guy accidently spoils how Flair is no longer with the WWF and his girlfriend is pissed because they haven’t gotten to that Raw yet in their viewing together.

 

The obsessive viewer: Some guy who’s watching Raw on his TV while he has Legends House on his tablet and Clash of the Champions on his phone.

 

“What kind of viewer ARE YOU???”

 

“There’s no wrong way to watch the Network!”

 

And so on. And show them watching on a TELEVISION so people understand that this CAN be done.

I disagree with some of the specifics but lov3 the Idea.

Ditto. They had some wacky commercials back in the 90's (mostly piggy-backing other ideas, like the Dennis Hopper Nike commercials), but lately they've gotten real lazy (even by their standards) with regard to that.

You know it's weird because everyone always bitches about how WWE is extremely annoying about over promoting things, yet this is arguably the most important product they've ever launched and they're promoting at 50%.

What I'm surprised at, is that nobody here has brought this up until now that I know of. I've seen ads on website for it but nothing on TV apart from Raw. I'd buy it if it were impossible for other networks to let them have commercial time for it though. I've only seen Netflix ads on TV a couple of times, and that is a major fish in the pond compared to the Network.

I’m gonna get it for this, but this is where they need somebody like Todd Pettengill. Come up with some corny slogans and advertising and push the hell out of it. Show a bunch of different types of network viewers and show how fun and awesome it is, families eating popcorn on the couch watching the Axl vs. Ian Rotten fued (just kidding, Cena vs. Rock) . ‘There’s all sorts of ways to watch the WWE Network!” “You’re not COOL unless you have the WWE NETWORK! You want to be cool, RIGHT???” Then you could show goofy little snippets of different categories of network viewer:

 

The classic viewer: An older guy showing his son some Flair vs. Steamboat, Hogan vs. Andre, etc.

 

The ADD viewer (this is me): the viewer who can’t decide what to watch so keeps jumping around after two minutes of watching something. “Ooo, Nitro is up now! Ooo, new legends House! Ooo, that Raw with Pillman and the gun! Ooo, the ECW where Sabu comes back!”

 

The comedy viewer: Some goofballs going through the Shockmaster, Mantaur, Ding Dongs etc.

 

The episode viewer (spoofing the Netflix commercial): A couple watching old Raws in order. The guy accidently spoils how Flair is no longer with the WWF and his girlfriend is pissed because they haven’t gotten to that Raw yet in their viewing together.

 

The obsessive viewer: Some guy who’s watching Raw on his TV while he has Legends House on his tablet and Clash of the Champions on his phone.

 

“What kind of viewer ARE YOU???”

 

“There’s no wrong way to watch the Network!”

 

And so on. And show them watching on a TELEVISION so people understand that this CAN be done.

"I've got to buy it, I've got to buy it. Chinpokomon!"

 

Is that what you were going for because that's the vibe I got... and I loved it.

Nice seeing Pat come out. I know it's one of the worst kept secrets, but I don't believe he's ever said as much publicly.

He trended worldwide on Twitter because of it as well

Still is.

Last night's Legends House had me in tears, and I'm not quite sure why. Overall, the show had more than its fair share of goofy and pointless moments, but it turned into something really special by the end.

Last night's Legends House had me in tears, and I'm not quite sure why . Overall, the show had more than its fair share of goofy and pointless moments, but it turned into something really special by the end.

 

I would wager it was because they were sharing real stories with real emotional impact.

Yeah, them going that route at the end really made you feel something real for those guys. Something you rarely see with other reality shows, actually. And him singing "My Way" was the icing on the cake. Really good stuff.

Dave mentions in today's update how Patterson's big reveal is laughable because everyone in the business knew for decades, which seems like he's missing the point. The fact that a pro wrestling promotion positively featured someone coming out of the closet publicly is kind of a big deal given how socially backwards the business has been throughout history.

Dave mentions in today's update how Patterson's big reveal is laughable because everyone in the business knew for decades, which seems like he's missing the point. The fact that a pro wrestling promotion positively featured someone coming out of the closet publicly is kind of a big deal given how socially backwards the business has been throughout history.

 

I can't stand it when Dave (or others) resort to such lazy commentary. It's obvious he didn't even see the fucking show he's mocking. If he had actually watched it (too much to ask for wrestling's foremost "journalist," I guess), he'd know that no one at that table was shocked, acted surprised, or any of that. They all knew and reacted with support that Patterson was finally lifting a heavy weight off his shoulders by coming out to essentially the world. Yeah, everyone here on this forum knew he was gay, and there was probably enough word of mouth that even some of the more casual fans knew too, but it was by no means common knowledge among every Joe Public wrestling fan.

To be fair, that was my reaction until I saw the clip, that it seemed awfully calculated and manipulative. It didn't settle right with me because I thought it cheapened the difficulty and fear often associated with the coming out process. When I saw the clip, my reaction changed somewhat, and I realized I needed to get over myself.

I really thought they left it out of the dinner scene from the previous episode, which made it a little strange and deceptive to me. Having watched it unfold later though made sense. I was really unsure if WWE would go that far but I'm glad they did. It's not an earth-shattering announcement by any means, but it's one I'm still glad to have been done.

 

That said I couldn't care less about the reunion show coming up.

Dave is completely missing the point on this one. It was a great episode and the build up to the reveal was very well done. Pat coming out publically would have felt weird or forced if Atlas, Hart and Duggan hadn't shared their real stories previously and hadn't changed the mood from rasslin stories to real feelings.