March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657286 Kevin Dunn is probably my pick, too. He might be worse and have done as much damage to wrestilng as Russo. My all-time least-favorite performer could very well be late-'90s "if you don't like me, bite me" Rick Steiner. Just a complete unprofessional jackass with not one redeeming quality.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657288 Wrestling was not a joke to me or alot of other people before McMahon took over the WWF. People in the South loved wrestling , it was part of our lives . . Nobody was dropping their pants on TV and having other adults kiss their ass. or committing their wife to an insane aslyum Wresting was presented as a sport , not as The WWF/ E is the joke , not pro wrestling. I feel where you're coming from--heck, I'm from the heart of Mid-South country--but wrestling has been a joke to non-fans since Gorgeous George, if not even earlier.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657295 This one is easy it is Vince MaMahon. This clown has ruined wrestling. He destroyed the territories and turned wrestling into a joke.Wrestling was a joke long before Vince was on the scene. I love the stuff, but realistically, that's true. I'll nominate Michael Hayes. A good ol' boy racist who thinks he's not, and has probably damaged multiple careers thus. Wrestling was not a joke to me or alot of other people before McMahon took over the WWF. People in the South loved wrestling , it was part of our lives . . Nobody was dropping their pants on TV and having other adults kiss their ass. or committing their wife to an insane aslyum Wresting was presented as a sport , not as The WWF/ E is the joke , not pro wrestling. Yes, who can forget the serious sporting events featuring Lawler fighting a Frankenstein. No, It is who cannot forget : Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Nick Bockwinkle vs. Curt Henning Terry Allen vs. Tully Blanchard Buddy Rose vs. Roddy Piper Condry/ Eaton vs. Morton/ Gibson Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan Von Erichs vs. Frebireds Nick Bockwinkle vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair. Billy Robinson vs. verne Gagne Rockers vs. Rose/ Sommers.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657296 This one is easy it is Vince MaMahon. This clown has ruined wrestling. He destroyed the territories and turned wrestling into a joke.Wrestling was a joke long before Vince was on the scene. I love the stuff, but realistically, that's true. I'll nominate Michael Hayes. A good ol' boy racist who thinks he's not, and has probably damaged multiple careers thus. Wrestling was not a joke to me or alot of other people before McMahon took over the WWF. People in the South loved wrestling , it was part of our lives . . Nobody was dropping their pants on TV and having other adults kiss their ass. or committing their wife to an insane aslyum Wresting was presented as a sport , not as The WWF/ E is the joke , not pro wrestling. Yes, who can forget the serious sporting events featuring Lawler fighting a Frankenstein. No, It is who cannot forget : Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Nick Bockwinkle vs. Curt Henning Terry Allen vs. Tully Blanchard Buddy Rose vs. Roddy Piper Condry/ Eaton vs. Morton/ Gibson Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan Von Erichs vs. Frebireds Nick Bockwinkle vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair. Billy Robinson vs. verne Gagne Rockers vs. Rose/ Sommers. or Chief Jay Strongbow vs Bulldog Don Kent in a shark cage match.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657298 No, It is who cannot forget : Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Nick Bockwinkle vs. Curt Henning Terry Allen vs. Tully Blanchard Buddy Rose vs. Roddy Piper Condry/ Eaton vs. Morton/ Gibson Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan Von Erichs vs. Frebireds Nick Bockwinkle vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair. Billy Robinson vs. verne Gagne Rockers vs. Rose/ Sommers. We could easily pick matches and feuds from last week, month, or year that demonstrate great, serious-feeling ring work and interviews. Likewise a bunch of goofy to outright dumb moments from now or the past. "That's not Junk Yard Dog, that's Stagger Lee!" The point is wrestling has long been both athletic and dumb.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657299 This one is easy it is Vince MaMahon. This clown has ruined wrestling. He destroyed the territories and turned wrestling into a joke.Wrestling was a joke long before Vince was on the scene. I love the stuff, but realistically, that's true. I'll nominate Michael Hayes. A good ol' boy racist who thinks he's not, and has probably damaged multiple careers thus. Wrestling was not a joke to me or alot of other people before McMahon took over the WWF. People in the South loved wrestling , it was part of our lives . . Nobody was dropping their pants on TV and having other adults kiss their ass. or committing their wife to an insane aslyum Wresting was presented as a sport , not as The WWF/ E is the joke , not pro wrestling. Yes, who can forget the serious sporting events featuring Lawler fighting a Frankenstein. No, It is who cannot forget : Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Nick Bockwinkle vs. Curt Henning Terry Allen vs. Tully Blanchard Buddy Rose vs. Roddy Piper Condry/ Eaton vs. Morton/ Gibson Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan Von Erichs vs. Frebireds Nick Bockwinkle vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair. Billy Robinson vs. verne Gagne Rockers vs. Rose/ Sommers. or Chief Jay Strongbow vs Bulldog Don Kent in a shark cage match. or Ric Flair vs. Harley Race at StarrCade I am just stating my opinion . I guess people can find example of wrestlecrap all day to try and needle. me I am asked the question the man gave an answer
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657300 Anyway, my pick would be Stephanie McMahon. Probably the worst case of nepotism in wrestling history. Her elevation to the position of head writer was directly correlated with a precipitous decline in the quality of the product, and she has single-handedly made Raw virtually unwatchable over the past year and a half. But come on, she's a great promo. Hell, she's better than Paul Heyman. Just look at last week's RAW... Wait. Wrong exemple.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657301 Oh yeah, I didn't mean to begrudge you your opinion. We're just coming from different perspectives on this. If I had actually seen the height of the territory days unfold I'd probably feel more deeply betrayed by Vince. But I am still pretty mad about WCW, ha. So in that sense, I kind of hate the people behind the AOL Time merger, I guess. Ted probably would have kept going with TV if somebody else was paying for the actual promotion, IIRC. Yes, WCW was awful and I don't think I was actually watching then, but dammit...
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657303 I've had several pleasant interactions with Colt. I know a lot of workers who don't like him because he isn't the type to sit around in the back and bullshit like most bigger names that come around. He's not the fraternizing type, which is very different than most guys in the business. With him, as long as there's an opportunity for him to be out making money, that's his priority. I've never seen any bitterness from him. I've seen him be a dick to people who are hanging around him and potentially keeping him from interacting with people who might spend money, but that's about it. Once the fans are cleared out, or if you've got him in a one on one environment, he's a good guy. At least that's my experience from working with him at several shows.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657304 Probably the Ultimate Warrior - a delusional, no-talent, homophobic lunatic. At least he's dead
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657305 This one is easy it is Vince MaMahon. This clown has ruined wrestling. He destroyed the territories and turned wrestling into a joke.Wrestling was a joke long before Vince was on the scene. I love the stuff, but realistically, that's true. I'll nominate Michael Hayes. A good ol' boy racist who thinks he's not, and has probably damaged multiple careers thus. Wrestling was not a joke to me or alot of other people before McMahon took over the WWF. People in the South loved wrestling , it was part of our lives . . Nobody was dropping their pants on TV and having other adults kiss their ass. or committing their wife to an insane aslyum Wresting was presented as a sport , not as The WWF/ E is the joke , not pro wrestling. Yes, who can forget the serious sporting events featuring Lawler fighting a Frankenstein. No, It is who cannot forget : Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Nick Bockwinkle vs. Curt Henning Terry Allen vs. Tully Blanchard Buddy Rose vs. Roddy Piper Condry/ Eaton vs. Morton/ Gibson Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan Von Erichs vs. Frebireds Nick Bockwinkle vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair. Billy Robinson vs. verne Gagne Rockers vs. Rose/ Sommers. or Chief Jay Strongbow vs Bulldog Don Kent in a shark cage match. or Ric Flair vs. Harley Race at StarrCade (Sic) I am just stating my opinion . I guess people can find example of wrestlecrap all day to try and needle. me I am asked the question the man gave an answer Wrestling has always been a joke, especially in the South. You're just cherry picking matches to attempt to prove a point that's not really true. Memphis (which you are presumably a mark for) has had some of the goofiest gimmicks of all time. And I also don't see the point in posting that woman's photo
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657306 or Ric Flair vs. Harley Race at StarrCade or Chief Jay Strongbow vs Bulldog Don Kent in a shark cage match. I am just stating my opinion . I guess people can find example of wrestlecrap all day to try and needle. me I am asked the question the man gave an answer It wasn't meant to be bashing, sorry if it came across like that. I enjoy just about all of the names you've listed. I was just pointing out that wrestling was never really meant to be taken that seriously, regardless of what some old timer tells you in a shoot interview. Did you ever watch any of the Chicago film archives? The commentary is very tongue-in-cheek and this was 50-60 years ago. I love serious technical matches but how can you not enjoy a fake Indian fighting some guy in a wooden cage, or any and every midget match when they do the spot where the guy pinning gets kicked out into the refs arms and then the ref tosses him back on and continues the count? This is why I love this stuff.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657310 This one is easy it is Vince MaMahon. This clown has ruined wrestling. He destroyed the territories and turned wrestling into a joke.Wrestling was a joke long before Vince was on the scene. I love the stuff, but realistically, that's true. I'll nominate Michael Hayes. A good ol' boy racist who thinks he's not, and has probably damaged multiple careers thus. Wrestling was not a joke to me or alot of other people before McMahon took over the WWF. People in the South loved wrestling , it was part of our lives . . Nobody was dropping their pants on TV and having other adults kiss their ass. or committing their wife to an insane aslyum Wresting was presented as a sport , not as The WWF/ E is the joke , not pro wrestling. Yes, who can forget the serious sporting events featuring Lawler fighting a Frankenstein. No, It is who cannot forget : Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat Nick Bockwinkle vs. Curt Henning Terry Allen vs. Tully Blanchard Buddy Rose vs. Roddy Piper Condry/ Eaton vs. Morton/ Gibson Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan Von Erichs vs. Frebireds Nick Bockwinkle vs. Jerry Lawler Jerry Lawler vs. Bill Dundee Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair. Billy Robinson vs. verne Gagne Rockers vs. Rose/ Sommers. or Chief Jay Strongbow vs Bulldog Don Kent in a shark cage match. or Ric Flair vs. Harley Race at StarrCade (Sic) I am just stating my opinion . I guess people can find example of wrestlecrap all day to try and needle. me I am asked the question the man gave an answer Wrestling has always been a joke, especially in the South. You're just cherry picking matches to attempt to prove a point that's not really true. Memphis (which you are presumably a mark for) has had some of the goofiest gimmicks of all time. And I also don't see the point in posting that woman's photo I did not post any photo of a woman . I am not a mark for the Memphis teritory . I am a lifelong wrestling fan. I call myself Memphis mark , because I was born in Memphis , TN. I still live in Memphis . Anything else?
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657313 The photo part was referring to JerryvonKramer. No, nothing else, just that wrestling was a sport until Vince McMahon came in really isn't true. Hate Vince all you want, but let's not go crazy here.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657314 The photo part was referring to JerryvonKramer. No, nothing else, just that wrestling was a sport until Vince McMahon came in really isn't true. Hate Vince all you want, but let's not go crazy here. I never said wrestling was a real sport. I said it was presented as a real sport to the fans. No need for insults
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657315 Another pick: Modern-day Ric Flair. I don't mean the wrestler or the proud dad of Charlotte - I mean the bitter asshole on pre-shows, roundtables, etc. who snaps at every little thing and acts like a total dismissive dick. Meanwhile, no one would dare disagree with or correct him, because "he's Ric Flair."
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657318 Kevin Dunn: What are the stories about him that make his douchiness unique to Vince’s? I’ve genuinely never heard anything about the dude except that him and Vince love all that Kid Rock-style dogshit music, and that he was the reason it was/is used so much by WWE, 15 years after it fell out of fashion. He has a terrible rep and is no doubt the cause of some problems, but I’ve never read anything specific about his approach.Colt Cabana: I’m not trying to turn this into the DVDVR Sleaze thread, but is anyone able to elaborate on this idea of him treating people badly? Is it that he’s become a prima donna backstage, or that he’s just a shameless carny shilling t-shirts to his fans? What about him makes his “fun guy” persona so phony?
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657319 The photo part was referring to JerryvonKramer. No, nothing else, just that wrestling was a sport until Vince McMahon came in really isn't true. Hate Vince all you want, but let's not go crazy here. I never said wrestling was a real sport. I said it was presented as a real sport to the fans. No need for insults I'm not insulting you. I'm disagreeing with you.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657320 Colt Cabana: I’m not trying to turn this into the DVDVR Sleaze thread, but is anyone able to elaborate on this idea of him treating people badly? Is it that he’s become a prima donna backstage, or that he’s just a shameless carny shilling t-shirts to his fans? What about him makes his “fun guy” persona so phony? Agreed. I've had plenty of interaction with Cabana and he's been nothing but the nicest friendliest guy.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657321 Masked generic anonymous Internet troll machine #2 would be my vote. A toss up between him / her and #3. Moi? No you're far too nice and normal Cheapshot
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657325 I find it absurd that people are jumping down Parv's throat for posting a few pictures of the woman. They're not demeaning photos, and they give some sense of whom the hell he's talking about.
March 6, 201510 yr Author comment_5657326 Since the pictures of Alice have caused such a great deal of offense, I've taken them down and edited the OP.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657328 Ever? I'm not sure. I would have to think about it more. Currently? Easily Michael Cole. Admittedly, Alice is terrible. So terrible, in fact, that I stopped listening to the Jim Cornette podcasts completely. That being said, although she is terrible, Jim talking about politics & religion was equally bad. On a grand scheme though, she's just a co-host on a podcast that I no longer listen to. That doesn't affect my pro-wrestling fix at all, really.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657329 The photo part was referring to JerryvonKramer. No, nothing else, just that wrestling was a sport until Vince McMahon came in really isn't true. Hate Vince all you want, but let's not go crazy here. I never said wrestling was a real sport. I said it was presented as a real sport to the fans. No need for insults I'm not insulting you. I'm disagreeing with you. You called him crazy. Also, you're missing the mark here. He's speaking about presentation. How wrestlers presented as mixture of heroes and villians within their sport. Even tho the audience knew the distinction between pro wrestling as sport. And the layers of seriousness within pro wrestling. As an aside.. Jarret's Memphis, much like the WWF(E), has always taken heavy knocks for it's cartoonish presentation.
March 6, 201510 yr comment_5657334 I said let's not go crazy here, it's a figure of speech. I did not say he was crazy
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