March 25, 201510 yr comment_5660642 I kind of wonder if the booking of the match itself hurt Owen's ability to draw. To this day, I have heard two theories regarding the finish 1) that Owen countered the victory roll because no one knew Bret better than him or 2) Owen got lucky and just collapsed on top of his brother. I wonder if it had been more obvious that Owen was doing something intentional and moved the finish to something like a low blow or grabbing the ropes, if it would have led to a different outcome regarding the push. One thing about that WrestleMania I also don't like is the banana peal finish to the main event where Yoko just falls off the ropes for no reason. I never got that finish. Booking wise compared to today, I think comparing everything to being "as bad as Daniel Bryan" kind of misses the larger point that nothing is working right now and the entire show is in shambles. I don't think D. Bryan's not being in the main event is even the biggest problem right now looking at the build. Its just this shapeless mess of a card.
March 25, 201510 yr comment_5660644 The most important thing to remember about the victory roll is that it's how Bret beat Bigelow to win KOTR.
March 25, 201510 yr comment_5660646 Oh no doubt, I always leaned towards it being a counter myself. As an aside, I really love Bret Hart roll up finishes because he is super awesome at them.
March 25, 201510 yr comment_5660648 Yeah, the finish to the Mania X main event was the total shits. Watching the show live my first thought was that it would turn out the Undertaker's ghost was behind it or something dumb
March 25, 201510 yr Author comment_5660659 Bad Booking in WrestleMania History Part 2: Will is joined by Pete (Titans of Wrestling) & Dave Musgrave (Wrestling Culture) to discuss the worst booking decisions in WrestleMania history. We take a look at Mania 16-30 and the matches that should have been booked and the ones we wished we never saw. We also have a heated discussion on the role of the World Title at Mania and compare Daniel Bryan to other past Mania main eventers. http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-bad-booking-in-wrestlemania-history-part-2/
March 26, 201510 yr comment_5660693 Not far in but I actually think Bruno was a draw in 86. Didn't they bring him back in to anchor Philly and Boston cards when Hogan wasn't drawing repeat business? Bruno-Piper was a hot program in late '85-early '86. Their cage match in Boston is a totally crazy hybrid: an extremely violent, bloody brawl built around comedy spots, Piper stooging, and Bruno punching Piper in the balls. Bruno was old, but still knew what to do and did it well. Reminiscent of present-day Negro Navarro or Satanico.
March 26, 201510 yr Author comment_5660723 WrestleMania vs. Starrcade Will is joined by Pete & Parv (Titans of Wrestling) and Kris Zellner (Exile on Badstreet) to compare the two flagship shows of the NWA and WWF. We run through the first decade of each show, decide which company had the better show each year and decide the best and worst shows of the bunch. http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-wrestlemania-vs-starrcade/
March 26, 201510 yr comment_5660731 Loving the shows so far. About to dive in to the Starrcade one shortly. I don't know if this is the right place to mention this, but I just finished listening to Will's appearance on the Place to be Nation's The Main Event show, and I don't think I've ever found myself shaking my head in disagreement as much when listening to a podcast. As well as coming across as being genuinely unlikable, the dude who spent the majority of the show at odds with Will appeared to have a completely opposite philosophy on wrestling to myself. Whether it was towing the WWE company line, or just being sucked in by their rhetoric, I got the impression he could easily be on their payroll. I think it was mentioned that he used to be employed by them at one point or another. If it wasn't for a couple of the other guests and the host holding it together, I would have had to tap out after five minutes. I'd be interested to know if anyone else felt a similar way.
March 26, 201510 yr comment_5660759 It sounds like a member of Sorrow's army was on the Main Event panel. This sounds interesting.
March 26, 201510 yr comment_5660773 It sounds like a member of Sorrow's army was on the Main Event panel. This sounds interesting. Yeah, I was going to skip it but it's next on my list now!
March 26, 201510 yr comment_5660823 A question Parv asked on the show was what was the difference between a Shea Stadium show and Starcade 83? I think the answer is timing. In 83 wrestling was ready for the big shows.
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660867 Loving the shows so far. About to dive in to the Starrcade one shortly. I don't know if this is the right place to mention this, but I just finished listening to Will's appearance on the Place to be Nation's The Main Event show, and I don't think I've ever found myself shaking my head in disagreement as much when listening to a podcast. As well as coming across as being genuinely unlikable, the dude who spent the majority of the show at odds with Will appeared to have a completely opposite philosophy on wrestling to myself. Whether it was towing the WWE company line, or just being sucked in by their rhetoric, I got the impression he could easily be on their payroll. I think it was mentioned that he used to be employed by them at one point or another. If it wasn't for a couple of the other guests and the host holding it together, I would have had to tap out after five minutes. I'd be interested to know if anyone else felt a similar way. The "do you know it's scripted?" question kinda pissed me off. Specially the second time he made that same question. Will didn't care though so that made it a fun listen, good back and forth from two very different mindsets. I kinda wished Dylan was on that panel though, I don't think he would've been able to hold it together
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660974 Forgot to mention this, but on the first show, Will's burial of marriage was awesome. "It's not about love". Ha ha ha.
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660977 Enjoying the Starrcade/Mania comparison show - about an hour in so far. Will - your work this week has been exemplary and is very much appreciated. GWW (which has it's own twitter!) is rocking.
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660980 At least one more show I need to send to Chad... a traditional preview with Kris, Pete and Sorrow. Hopefully we can squeeze in the Mr. Wretlemania pod.
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660981 Forgot to mention this, but on the first show, Will's burial of marriage was awesome. "It's not about love". Ha ha ha. More so now than ever
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660993 Forgot to mention this, but on the first show, Will's burial of marriage was awesome. "It's not about love". Ha ha ha. I was so shocked by that statement I didn't even have a comeback at the time. He kind of has a point, that it's about more than love. However marriage without love seems bizarre to me. Then again, my wife and I have been a sickening in love couple since 2007 so we may be an exception.
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5660994 Correction... you have been in love with your wife since 2007. She's over it.
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5661003 I don't agree by the way, I just found the harshness funny. I now have an image of Steven and his wife as Paul and Linda McCartney in knitted sweaters on a farm eating veggie pies
March 27, 201510 yr comment_5661017 Does that mean Steven will eventually marry a stumpy broad in his old age who takes him for half his loot?
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