January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782102 I would not be surprised if you were to find there are 10 or even 20/30 matches you'd consider at that level if you continue watching and don't get bored with it. I probably mentioned that many moons ago when you were talking about the insane stiffness of a Flair/Garvin match or something like that and I said that 2000s abound with way stiffer matches. The Shibata-Ishii 1/4 Wrestle Kingdom match from last year is the ultimate peak of that style so that'd be a good one to check out.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782103 Parv should watch some FUTEN or WAR where this style is actually done well.
January 7, 20178 yr Author comment_5782104 Katsuyori Shibata vs. Hirooki Goto (6/22/13) Whatever "it" is, Shibata has it. This was a lot more spot heavy and near-fall orientated than the other matches, but still really damn rugged. Goto looks a tiny bit like post-pizza blow out Yatsu. Another really good match but lacking the throughline story that made WK11 match so compelling and the sheer brutality of the Ishii '13 match. **** I have to go to bed, but more than happy to take further recs on Shibata. Matt, I can see Misawa vs Hase is coming up in PWO2K, so will hit that soon. I am jumping on board that 2000 train as soon as I get this Shibata kick out of my system.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782107 And you should watch that. And you should also watch that Shibata/KENTA vs Taue/someone else tag because you'll get a kick out of young Shibata being a little shit to Taue in it. but I want to see you watch that Trevor Lee vs John Skyler match (get the details from Chad). I'm curious what you'll think of the CWF environment.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782109 I have to go to bed, but more than happy to take further recs on Shibata. vs. Tomoaki Honma - 8/3/14 vs. Kota Ibushi - 7/29/15 vs. Tomohiro Ishii - 1/4/16
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782110 You have to see Shibata's G1 match with Ishii from 8/4/13. It was tied for my MOTY.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782111 A few others -- vs. Ishii 2/11/16 vs. Tanahashi 7/26/14, 9/21/14 & 8/8/15 vs. Evil 8/13/16 vs. Nakamura 8/21/14
January 7, 20178 yr Author comment_5782160 You have to see Shibata's G1 match with Ishii from 8/4/13. It was tied for my MOTY. Wasn't that the one I just reviewed above?
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782166 It would be interesting to see if you like his match against Kyle O' Reilly from 10/10/2016.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782167 The ultimate irony in Parv discovering God is that Shibata works a shoot style gimmick.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782183 I have to go to bed, but more than happy to take further recs on Shibata. vs. Tomoaki Honma - 8/3/14 was about to post this match as one to watch but of course case beat me to it
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782193 The ultimate irony in Parv discovering God is that Shibata works a shoot style gimmick. Yeah, but aside from the facts he wears black and throws stiff kicks, his matches don't bear much resemblance to shoot style.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782196 The ultimate irony in Parv discovering God is that Shibata works a shoot style gimmick. Yeah, but aside from the facts he wears black and throws stiff kicks, his matches don't bear much resemblance to shoot style. Indeed. It's really shooty-style turned into a pro-style gimmick, wirhout much of teh actual shoot-style stuff. He's not nearly as good as Takada was at this game. (although I like Shibata, he's quite good)
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782216 You have to see Shibata's G1 match with Ishii from 8/4/13. It was tied for my MOTY. Wasn't that the one I just reviewed above? Yeah but I read it as April 8th instead of August 4th. Month first man
January 7, 20178 yr Author comment_5782226 Ah, that'll me be getting the date from cage match! Bloody Germans. It's taken me years to train myself to put month first for wrestling matches!
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782235 I did a search for Shibata on my google sheet and yielded this: vs Goto (6/22/2013) **** 1/2 (rating system before 1/4) vs Ishii (8/4/2013) **** (rating system before 1/4) vs AJ Styles (7/20/2015) **** (rating system before 1/4)
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782237 OK you really need to watch FUTEN, so much better version of the super stiff style The first match is under 5 minutes
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782239 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read?
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782243 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Well.. that's a NJPW thing.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782244 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Everyone in New Japan is.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782249 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Seems like he has some issues backstage. We know he doesn't really get along that great with Tanahashi/Nakamura. NJPW seems reluctant to put any real money or trust behind him and they've skipped multiple obvious big matchups. Seems to me to be the reason why he fools around with Goto other lesser NJPW names when he's clearly one of the best in the promotion. Some people have said they are just "saving his big matches for later", but they waited so long that matches like Shibata/Nakamura or Shibata/Ibushi can't even happen now.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782251 I'd like to recommend Daisuke Sekimoto vs Shuji Ishikawa, BJW, 3/31/15. Also that Ikeda/Oba vs Hashi/Mashimo match is such a gnarly classic. Just a total exhausting war.
January 7, 20178 yr comment_5782253 It seems like Shibata is in A LOT of repeat match-ups. Fair read? Yes. Between the G1 year after year (likely responsible for all of the matches referenced in July or August) and who he's generally been programmed with you'll find that quite a bit.
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