Kris & David are joined by “Dr. Lucha” Steve Sims (Figure Four Weekly) to discuss the week that was November 3-9, 1994. We discuss Randy Savage quitting the WWF, Antonio Inoki’s dream of a fight with George Foreman, a full rundown of maybe the greatest PPV ever “When Worlds Collide”, Sabu has a real November to Remember, & Greg Gagne dancing like a Native American!!!!!!!!!

 

Time Stamps:

0:00:00 WWF

0:51:42 Japan: AJPW, NJPW, WAR, & AJW

1:31:48 Mexico: AAA, EMLL, & UWA

2:35:13 Other USA: AWF, ECW, NWA Dallas, Potpourri, SMW, & USWA

3:17:43 WCW

http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-16-november-3-9-1994/

 

Great work as usual. Bonus points for not even mentioning the rumor when discussing the Savage departure.

Yeah I never believed that deal to begin with

Great work as usual. Bonus points for not even mentioning the rumor when discussing the Savage departure.

That's why this is continuously one of the best wrestling podcasts out there.

Boxing notes:

 

1) Foreman lost to Tommy Morrison in May/June 1993, and didn't fight until he beat Moorer in November 1994.

 

2) Foreman only won the WBA/IBF belts. The WBC broke off in 93 once Riddick Bowe madusa'ed the WBC belt instead of fighting Lennox Lewis. The WBA stripped Foreman quickly after, and the IBF stripped him since Foreman didn't want to fight Axel Schultz again.

I thought the Morrison fight was before and yes I forgot the WBC wasn't involved with the match at that time

Foreman losing his last fight to Morrison made Foreman getting a shot more peculiar to some people. Although it was probably a "Michael Moorer wants an easy defense" thing and I don't know who they had facing Moorer in 95 before he lost to Foreman (and before Tyson got out of prison to butcher the non-Holyfield/Lewis parts of the division)

 

Outside of Lennox Lewis for a few months in 1999/2000, the top 3 belts haven't been unified for 20+ years. But considering the HW ranks, not much of value has been lost through not having unified belts. Plus, it got John Ruiz 10 reigns with the WBA belt.

George Foreman was the biggest "name" that would fight Moorer at the time

Probably slightly more money in Moorer/Foreman than Moorer/Joe Hipp.

 

Inoki vs Joe Hipp probably draws 150K in Pyongyang.

Surprised Inoki didn't get Larry Holmes over for a shot

if Onita couldn't bring Larry Holmes over for a one-shot, what chance did Inoki really have?

 

so.. off the top of my head.. 1980s boxers that had cameos in Japan... Leon Spinks, Trevor Berbick, Matthew Saad Muhammad in UWFI... and I think that's it... unless Iran Barkley or Gerrie Coetzee had a run in W*ING that i'm forgetting. Greg Page or Mike Weaver may have dropped in there.

 

Also, weren't La Parka, El Dandy and Silver King around WCW after a purge of the luchadores? I think Dandy/Silver King got one of those syndicated show pushes as Los Fabulosos around the time that the company was getting sued by Oono (Ono?). Maybe they brought in other guys coincidentally to try and buttress the force of lawsuits.

By the time of the reboot in 2000 they were all gone but Rey and Juvy

Don't think I have ever heard of Lucha minis called "muppet baby wrestlers" . Sure that wouldn't go over well to the guys

Love that Foreman/Inoki story, I'd love to know how Frazier/Colon ended up happening.

I like that you guys mention the cosmetics of WWF TV in 1994. It really is such a weird time, almost 70's in its presentation. They ran such small towns too, Burlington VT, Poughkeepsie. Everything is just so...quiet for lack of a better word.

The Benoit story really made me sad.

The Benoit story really made me sad.

Heyman finding him crying in a broom closet afraid he ended Sabu's career? Or am I forgetting something?

Yeah, that. Just made me really sad to see the humanity of that moment vs. the monster that he became due to all the brain damage that he suffered.

With hearing K.C. O'Connor's name brought up again, did he just drop off the wrestling fandom map after his SMW stint? Has anyone heard from him in all these years? I'm kind of curious if he went on to be a successful business man like Sign Guy Dudley or something.

With hearing K.C. O'Connor's name brought up again, did he just drop off the wrestling fandom map after his SMW stint? Has anyone heard from him in all these years? I'm kind of curious if he went on to be a successful business man like Sign Guy Dudley or something.

 

Well, there's this.

Another knock out show....hearing the Art Barr / Eddy Stories from after the match were great....I wonder if really handed 100 G's beforehand if they stiff Octagon in the segunda caida and forcably pin him?

 

That would have sent shockwaves...although Eddie and Art wouldnt be able to go near Mexico or even the border afterward.

 

How would they have handled that on TV on within AAA? Would Santo have taken it off or would they try some way to change it? The show wasnt over yet, so they couldnt just cut to black...Kris / Bix, any clue what could have happened?

 

That would have made Montreal look like child's play with all the history and importance of Santo and the mask in Mexico...

Kris, something you've mentioned a couple of times and it's got me thinking - you said Sid did his best work in Memphis. I was always of the opinion that late 96 and into 97 with Michaels and Bret was his best. Any particular matches in Memphis top that?

Well the problem is with Sid in Memphis is that you don't have complete matches to really go by but in clip form he looked like a different worker than anywhere else.....

Well the problem is with Sid in Memphis is that you don't have complete matches to really go by but in clip form he looked like a different worker than anywhere else.....

 

Wow, you weren't kidding.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdZmtXMBWn4

Edit: wrong thread.