April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744316 Larry Z did extremely well for a guy who was mostly associated with stalling for a while.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744319 Larry seems really crazy high actually. Not a guy who is really talked up a bunch as an all-timer or someone I remember being much discussion at all about actually. Sort of guy I'd expect to fall in the 300 range.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744322 There are many workers who've already dropped that I'd put over Larry, but the new appreciation for stuff like the Enforcers tag and the Regal match likely put him over the top. I enjoy his Dangerous Alliance run for sure, but I also wonder if his trifecta of being a WWF/AWA/WCW guy didn't help him a lot with U.S.-minded voters. Re: his shtick - it feels like poor man's Bockwinkel to me. The idea of watching a mediocre Larry Z match sounds brutal, but when you're really good in 3 or 4 of the better US matches of the 90s, a lot can be forgiven. Someone I probably need to watch more to be better informed.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744323 Larry Z was a guy I couldn't stand until I went through the Dangerous Alliance footage and his Regal matches. Now I've even come to enjoy some of his AWA work. A solid showing for Larry Z. Also, why are we talking about Giant Gonzales? Did he get revealed and I missed it?
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744324 Larry was my 99, so I can't argue much with him placing 109. It's probably a pretty fair placement.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744327 Considering Yatsu finished at #172 it feels like Larry over-indexed. I think he's someone who is basically a greatest hits candidate whose career gets quite an easy ride in the evaluations. He ranked for me because my system was favourable to greatest hits candidates.
April 17, 20169 yr Author comment_5744328 Larry seems really crazy high actually. Not a guy who is really talked up a bunch as an all-timer or someone I remember being much discussion at all about actually. Sort of guy I'd expect to fall in the 300 range. I talked to him up.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744332 All I want for you to do is to admit that in order for your argument to hold, you also have to hold that someone could believe that El Gigante > Bryan and at the same time you have maintain with a straight face that they are not wrong, or nuts, or anything else. People can decide for themselves if they want to sign up to a statement like that. If they are prepared to, fine. I am not. I will, in fact, hold that it is theoretically possible to argue for El Gigante being a better wrestler than Daniel Bryan. It may be a wildly insane, improbable, far-fetched, incredibly particular, left-field argument. And maybe the least popular argument in the history of wrestling fandom. But it wouldn't be factually incorrect. That is all I'm saying. But for the love of God can we stop talking about it. Oh shit, I'm sorry for stirring the pot, but then someone could theoretically claim that I am a better guitar player than Eric Clapton. No one probably would, but theoretically. That would be absolutely objectively wrong. Someone might (not likely, but still), like my fumblings better, but I'd hope they'd then still say that's subjective and that objectively Clapton's better. Ditto with Gigangte vs Bryan. I think Gigante would have said as much. Sure it gets harder with others. Hence the wonderrful and open debate :-)
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744333 NoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooo! EDIT: That was aimed at the reveal, clearly. I'm super done with objectivity.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744337 And Grey is out. He climbed 30 spots and made 40 ballots. I guess that's worthy of a celebration. Still, a Top 100 without the greatest british babyface ever doesn't feel right.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744338 Aww no, little Stevie Grey! You may now proceed with your list of the Top 100 Most Overrated Wrestlers of All-Time ;p
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744339 Steve Grey was my #33 and the 36th worker on my list to fall. I actually think the workers who rank in one's 30s are maybe the toughest of all to rank, in that on a different day I could have Grey as low as 45 or so. I have Breaks higher than him and hope at least one WoS guy cracks the top 100: it would be a bad under-representation if none of the British rounds style makes the cut. Grey was compared in his post to Tito Santana, but to me he could even be called the Danielson of that time and place, in terms of his character and methods.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744344 I guess Childs and OJ were right in saying that most of the WOS workers wouldn't be making the top 100. Grey is arguably the best babyface ever and I thought for sure he'd make it. Same goes for Marty Jones who dropped a few spots previous.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744345 2 down already today, and it's not even 10:00 AM. I have a bad feeling about this.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744347 Too high a ranking for Low Ki. Such a self-serious ponce, and it hurts his work in the ring. I haven't yet seen the Mysterio match, but in terms of character I'll say that even when he was with the Rottweilers, he always came off to me as the type of kid in school who studied karate, had a pet snake, and would run away crying if anyone scuffed his sneakers in a fight. But I have no love for early ROH prior to Joe's reign of terror, so I get that he's acclaimed as a master of that style and era.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744349 Aww no, little Stevie Grey! You may now proceed with your list of the Top 100 Most Overrated Wrestlers of All-Time ;pThat is what I plan on calling the list when Flair is named number 1.
April 17, 20169 yr comment_5744353 I'm shocked Larry Z did as well as he did, even though I had him on my ballot. One key piece for me voting for him was his feud with Nick Bockwinkel, in which he was able to outcheat Nick so much that Bock became a babyface.
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