Posted July 6, 20178 yr comment_5806321 I am almost certain that in 2001 or perhaps 2002, I saw a match somewhere in New Jersey, Lowki vs Trent Acid in a steel cage. Did this really happen? I have never been able to find anything about it anywhere. JCW perhaps? Maybe it was Ki against Billy Reil or Reckless Youth? But it was definitely a steel cage match
July 6, 20178 yr comment_5806342 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match.
July 6, 20178 yr Author comment_5806349 Ugh...maybe the cage match was Reckless vs Trent, and Ki was also on the show?
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806372 One would think their paths would have crossed between 99 and 2003. They were working the same indies in the New York, Jersey, PA, Delaware, MD part of the country. And cage match doesn't have great records for random shithole indies like Jersey All Pro, ECWA, Maryland Champion Wrestling, random NWA affiliates, WXW, IWC, ICW, etc. In August or September 2001, I saw a 4 corner 1 hour broadway in a CYO gym in the middle of nowhere Delaware with Low Ki vs Bryan Danielson vs Christopher Daniels vs Scoot Andrews. The undercard had the Haas Brothers, the SAT, Brian Kendrick, Paul London, and the usual ECWA riff raff. There is no record of that show anywhere online. There is no film of the show. I really think that happened a lot in the indies that didn't have their own production or weren't hooked up with RF or smartmark.
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806395 The only match I can find with the two of them in is the 2004 tag mentioned by Rah which was japw basebrawl 2 12/06/04 low ki and acid Vs sonjay dutt and teddy Hart. There are 4 reil Vs ki matches in 2000 none of which are cage matches they are in JCW japw and wxw. There is one reckless youth Vs ki match for the japw championship which ki loses. Youth Vs acid I can find one singles match in 1999 and several multi-man matches mainly in czw. Nothing which is down as a cage match. Now this does not mean you are wrong but just may mean that it was never recorded digitally or if it was it is not in any database with an English language section.
July 7, 20178 yr Author comment_5806406 JoeG, you are not referring to the ECWA 9/22/01 show? The Haas Brothers, London and Kendrick are not on the show... But I know I have a VHS of the main event, it was pretty heavily pimped as a great indy match in 2001 http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwa92201wilmingtonde.aspx
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806412 I am not sure if Tim Noel still sells stuff but I know he recorded all the big ECWA shows
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806413 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty.
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806414 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. To be fair, everything about indy wrestling after 2000 is fairly spotty.
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806416 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Come on man. He's not new to the internet and clearly was trying to recollect something that a lot of people on this site could possibly solve.
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806417 Gd it, i had that reply up in draft and then you both post prior to me - lol. What are the odds?
July 7, 20178 yr comment_5806419 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. To be fair, everything about indy wrestling after 2000 is fairly spotty. Touche, seriously though the IWA-MS results are pretty awful for cagematch.
July 8, 20178 yr comment_5806482 Yeah 90s thru 2004 indy results are wildly incomplete on cagematch. I got to the point where I just stopped looking.
July 8, 20178 yr comment_5806497 JoeG, you are not referring to the ECWA 9/22/01 show? The Haas Brothers, London and Kendrick are not on the show... But I know I have a VHS of the main event, it was pretty heavily pimped as a great indy match in 2001 http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwa92201wilmingtonde.aspx That might be it. I'm pretty sure that is it. Did it go broadway or did it just go really long? I saw one 4 way that summer that went broadway that had both Ki and Dragon and one that went really, really long with Ki and Dragon. Although I could swear Haas Brothers and Kendrick vs SAT was the Semi Main for one of them. And that Haas Brothers were on both shows. The thing I love about this board is I can talk about a show I went to 16 years ago and somebody here will correct me on the details.
July 8, 20178 yr comment_5806524 As a WD guy I can only shake my head at the criticism both our sites get. Just this week we had a... let's use the word Armleuchter in case he will google me , who bemoaned the lack of Showa Zenjo and Great Gama results. Don't think that we have a million ways to get all the relevant information. If you have something, send it to us or tell us how to access it. Don't just be a whiny bitch, who often enough is even too lazy to see that we have certain things. People are engaged enough to complain and not much else. Also, fuck social media. Made it sooooo much harder to research.
July 8, 20178 yr Author comment_5806532 I can't find any complete results for ECWA shows in 2001. After the Super 8 on 2/24, there was a show on April 7 with Lowki and Danielson vs The Haas Brothers. On May 5, Lowki was in a 6 way match with Jayson Reign, Russ Haas, Charlie Haas, Scoot Andrews and Vince Goodnite. On July 21, there is a famous Ki vs Danielson match with Ricky Steamboat as referee. I'm not sure about the result of the 9/22 four way match, I have not watched it in a very long time and I don't remember it at all. "an incredible match of the year candidate in the four way main event. Low Ki, Chris Daniels, American Dragon and Scoot Andrews delivered over 30 minutes of hard-hitting, high-flying, body twisting excellence with this must see match. Ki also had a match against Chris Daniels on November 3 Ki and Dragon defended the tag titles against the SATs on December 1st. I know that the original match I asked about was not in the ECWA, cause my first show there was 1/12/02
August 23, 20178 yr comment_5811835 The Low Ki vs Trent Acid cage match was on 7/16/00 in Jersey Championship Wrestling. I've been looking for it for months! Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner. JCW shows in general are almost impossible to find.
August 23, 20178 yr comment_5811907 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Or wait for Loss to debunk databases
August 23, 20178 yr comment_5811911 Something helpful with Low Ki matches is that he used to track all of the dates and results for his own matches on his website, which can still be found on the Wayback machine. There's also a Low Ki-El Hijo del Santo vs Mike Quackenbush-El Mariachi match from 04/16/00 I'm determined to find.
August 23, 20178 yr comment_5811937 No this would be the guy who worked as marachi in Lucia underground
August 23, 20178 yr comment_5811945 I was at that show live, it was awesome how hard Santo would work in front of like 50 people
August 24, 20178 yr comment_5811993 APPLLE - 4/20/2000 Chiller Theatre Expo Attendance 28 http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/dvdvr/dvdvr125.html Match 4 : Mike Quackenbush/Mariachi Loco v. Low-Ki/Hijo Del Santo in a lucha tag match : Mariachi Loco has the greatest current lucha indy scum mask as it's a mask with trumpet horns and a crazy tongue sticking out. Quackenbush and Low-Ki start out and do a bunch of nice reversal spots of various armbars and holds, with each coming up with a move, an escape and a counter on the mat for a bit. Santo and Mariachi do some stuff, including Santo's handstand headscissor move. Quack and Low-Ki tag in, Quack goes for ASARI's lawndart kick which misses by a bit, but gets sold, Low-Ki comes up with a with his handspring overhead roundhouse kick move. The first dive is by Quackenbush with a tope con hilo following a hip toss to the floor on Low-ki. The technicos get the first fall with Low-Ki hitting a 450 on Quackenbush and Santo hitting a rana on Mariachi. Second fall starts with Quack and Mariachi hitting a buch of double teams on Low-Ki taking over on him for a bit til Santo tags in. Santo gets worked over for a bit, but ends up countering the double teams and hitting a great tope on Quackenbush, while he's out Mariachi scores a pin with a powerbomb on Low-Ki. Third fall starts with some more work between Low-Ki and Quackenbush, Mariachi gets in a neato Octagon special on him. There's a segment where someone puts on a submission hold and their partner makes the save only to have the tables reversed. Santo and Low-Ki hit a Doomsday Device on Quackenbush followed by a La Tapatia by Santo. The end comes down to Santo and Quackenbush as Santo hits him with a flying headbutt and el Caballo for the win. A very fun match, the pacing was good, things went moving, there were only one or two flubbed spots, otherwise a very good match. Nice to see guys not mail it in given the crowd size. Brutal.
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