My god the overanalysis of last night's RAW on WOL was irritating as shit. Nitpicking over phantom pinfalls and how Show's momentum was killed which it surely wasn't because it took the whole roster to beat him.

What do you expect given that they jack off to MMA? Now I also hear they are so excited about this Hogan and Bischoff deal as well.

--Mick Foley on his myspace page talks about the roast for Terry Funk held on Saturday night. He talked about meeting Billy Robinson for the first time at the convention, and said it was the first time he'd been at a roast but may also be the last time, as he wasn't happy with some of the meanness involved. He said he didn't find jokes about J.R.'s Bell's Palsy, Magnum T.A.'s paralysis or the death of Patrick Swayze all that funny, plus felt the mean spirited nature of the jokes about Missy Hyatt ended up as overkill. I'm just glad I wasn't there, because I can't even imagine finding a joke about Magnum T.A's paralysis funny at any point, let alone any jokes or Ross or Swayze this week.

Come on it's a Roast!

 

That isn't a stupid thing to write. I've never been to a roast, but if it is making fun of things like people's diseases then I wouldn't find it funny either.

 

It is a stupid thing to write. If you were invited to a roast, wouldn't you (I dunno) find out how a roast worked before hand?

I think Foley's just the only guy in wrestling who doesn't make Missy Hyatt jokes (he counts her as one of the ones who helped him break in the business) so that's a sensitive area for him.

But remember, making mean spirited jokes about a talentless whore who got bigger pops than him for flaunting her surgically enhanced breasts is AOK in Mick's book!

From today's update:

 

 

--There is an interview with Jim Cornette at http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/10/28/...h-jim-cornette/ He talks about how MMA is just pro wrestling but doing a better job of it than pro wrestling.

 

I wonder who convinced who, either way the talking point lives on.

I like Cornette a lot less when he's not talking about politics.

MMA is the farthest thing from Cornette's wheelhouse as possible. It's amazing he is spouting that talking point.

From today's update:

 

 

--There is an interview with Jim Cornette at http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/10/28/...h-jim-cornette/ He talks about how MMA is just pro wrestling but doing a better job of it than pro wrestling.

 

I wonder who convinced who, either way the talking point lives on.

 

This Cornette news bit reminds me of a story about The Rock calling Dave Meltzer on the phone immediately after the Forrest Griffin vs Shogun Rua fight to talk about "the business" (Meltzer explained that The Rock also thinks pro wrestling and MMA are the same thing and thus MMA is now included in "the business" term). The Rock went on to gush about Griffin vs Rua being better pro wrestling than pro wrestling. If Dave can convince THE ROCK of his talking point, it's no surprise that Cornette is saying this now.

 

Do any workers who are not friends with Dave Meltzer act like it's the same thing?

If Dave can convince THE ROCK of his talking point, it's no surprise that Cornette is saying this now.

Actually I think the boys convinced Dave of that talking point. It's the new kayfabe. I mean we now have Greg Gagne claiming he and his father invented MMA and pitched the concept at a U.S. wrestling convention in Las Vegas in 1992, but had the idea stolen by Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell, who took the concept to Dana White and the rest is history. Patently ridiculous, but it shows the whoppers old carnies will tell to pretend it's the same business.

Actually I think the boys convinced Dave of that talking point. It's the new kayfabe. I mean we now have Greg Gagne claiming he and his father invented MMA and pitched the concept at a U.S. wrestling convention in Las Vegas in 1992, but had the idea stolen by Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell, who took the concept to Dana White and the rest is history.

In that case, Courture and Liddell stole the concept from Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie.

The Gracies have always been good carnies.

 

"400-0. That's a nice round number." - Bas Rutten

If Dave can convince THE ROCK of his talking point, it's no surprise that Cornette is saying this now.

Actually I think the boys convinced Dave of that talking point. It's the new kayfabe. I mean we now have Greg Gagne claiming he and his father invented MMA and pitched the concept at a U.S. wrestling convention in Las Vegas in 1992, but had the idea stolen by Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell, who took the concept to Dana White and the rest is history. Patently ridiculous, but it shows the whoppers old carnies will tell to pretend it's the same business.

 

I think wrestlers know the difference. They might think MMA is worked, but that doesn't matter. All sports are worked if you're a wrestler, but wrestlers don't claim NFL is pro wrestling.

Anyone listen to the interview with Billy Robinson? Should I just stay away from that one?

 

BTW - Hoback mentioned that Meltzer explained on one of the shows in the past month why Molah isn't in the HOF. Does anyone know which show that is?

 

John

Dave's cover of the belt in the WON before last (10/26/09):

 

The auction by Highspots.com for the 1975-85 world championship belt took on a new twist when Conbraco Industries of Matthews, NC showed evidence that Flair had put his original NWA world heavyweight championship belt (the belt in question), as well as his WWE Hall of Fame ring, a Presidential Rolex, robes, trunks and boots, framed magazine covers, a framed autograph posters of Michael Jordan, himself with Vince McMahon and an authentic Kevin Greene jersey as collateral in garnering financing in 2008. Due to his financial situation, Flair has been able to get his alimony payments to his previous two wives dropped from $22,000 per month to $12,500 per month. Flair also recently got engaged to the woman he recently moved in with.

Week before that:

 

The NWA world heavyweight title belt used from 1975-85 was put up in an auction and on the first day there was a $75,000 bid. At least three people have bid $75,000, including one secret bid from a major star in the business. Ric Flair gave the belt to Highspots as collateral for a loan which they claim hasn’t been repaid. A meeting was set up with Flair’s people and Highspots.com, which is auctioning the belt off, more than a week ago to settle things but then Flair’s people didn’t show up for the meeting.

 

The Flair South Carolina lottery promotion has been so successful that four other states are looking at following suit. Flair also signed a one-year deal with Coca Cola to make appearances for the product at Wal-Mart, Sam’s Town and Kroger stores in the Southeast.

Ric has millions (though it's in retirement accounts), is making millions this year and last, has had 43% of his alimony payments knocked off each month, had deals coming in with tons of state lotos and a big Coke deal...

 

But can't payback Highspots their loan. Has other loans out for the same collateral. Blows off meetings to settle his debts.

 

It doesn't add up.

 

I look forward to reading his BK filing when it will finally be explained just how fucked up his finances are relative to how it's been palmed off.

 

John

Anyone listen to the interview with Billy Robinson? Should I just stay away from that one?

 

BTW - Hoback mentioned that Meltzer explained on one of the shows in the past month why Molah isn't in the HOF. Does anyone know which show that is?

 

John

Robinson interview is pretty damn good because Billy does all the talking.

I liked Billy, but "wiggan style is the best and now I'm the only one who knows it" gets kinda old after the fifteenth time. They'd try to get him to tell stories about his pro career and he'd all but blow it off. Worthwhile but not what it could have been.

 

And listening to him made me want to constantly clear my throat.

--Mick Foley on his myspace page talks about the roast for Terry Funk held on Saturday night. He talked about meeting Billy Robinson for the first time at the convention, and said it was the first time he'd been at a roast but may also be the last time, as he wasn't happy with some of the meanness involved. He said he didn't find jokes about J.R.'s Bell's Palsy, Magnum T.A.'s paralysis or the death of Patrick Swayze all that funny, plus felt the mean spirited nature of the jokes about Missy Hyatt ended up as overkill. I'm just glad I wasn't there, because I can't even imagine finding a joke about Magnum T.A's paralysis funny at any point, let alone any jokes or Ross or Swayze this week.

Come on it's a Roast!

 

That isn't a stupid thing to write. I've never been to a roast, but if it is making fun of things like people's diseases then I wouldn't find it funny either.

 

It is a stupid thing to write. If you were invited to a roast, wouldn't you (I dunno) find out how a roast worked before hand?

 

Foley's part yes, but Meltzer's no. He said he's never been to one and if that is what they are like he wouldn't like it.

And listening to him made me want to constantly clear my throat.

When Robinson was inducted into the Thesz/Tragos HOF a few years ago, he had recently had surgery on his throat. When he gave his speech, Baron Von Raschke kept heckling him by yelling "Speak up!"

I always feel like that listening to Dean Malenko.

The Mike Coughlin rant on the site right now regarding Fedor is magnificentally insane. He comes off as such a UFC apologist it's not even funny.

I think that rant was just a lengthy troll of Jonathan Snowden.

 

Main event almost didn't make air. Had the makings of a disaster, but they did the right thing. We knew going in Fedor was an unknown. I think the next Fedor fight will do gangbusters after that showing though....

 

http://www.heavy.com/post/insiders-view-ba...trikeforce-1422

Define "gangbusters." Your definition may be different than others and specificity is important in making predictions.

 

Otherwise, you just look like a tacky ass...

I don't know what a tacky ass is. I think the next Fedor fight will do better than this one. Maybe in the 5 million range.

I think that rant was just a lengthy troll of Jonathan Snowden.

Without even reading what Snowden may have said about Fedor and the show, I read Coughlin's piece yesterday and came aways with the thought:

 

"This seems to be aimed at someone. Couldn't be Dave... hmm... Snowden?"

 

John

Do any workers who are not friends with Dave Meltzer act like it's the same thing?

It is the same thing.

Oh boy.

Read the full quote and explain why Cornette is wrong:

 

Jim Cornette on the rise of mixed martial arts and its effect on professional wrestling: “What they’re doing is, they’re doing our business better than we are. Unique or colorful or athletic personalities that are kind of badass being manipulated into situations where they fight each other and they sell tickets to it. That’s professional wrestling. The difference, of course, is that they’re ‘real,’ but that’s like number five down on the list of why they’re so popular…P.T. Barnum said, ‘If you want to draw a crowd, start a fight.’”

Bill Dundee said running a circus is the same as running a wrestling promotion. Running a MMA outfit is the same as running a wrestling promotion. It's the promoting business pure and simple. Whether Dave takes that too far is up to people here to decide, but way too much is made out of Dave's opinions. It doesn't mean shit whether Meltzer thinks MMA is pro-wrestling. He's argued the point many times and I never saw the problem with his reasoning. It's the people who can't get over point number five that confuse me.