OK, we have had separate conversations on what sets we should try next. Before we decide that, lets make a list of all possible sets and try to set them up accordingly. THEN we can decide what to do next.

 

Also, another issue that came up is where to put matches. Should a match go in Florida or Crockett... Memphis or AWA... Watts or Houston?

 

This seems to be a sticking point and this may sound offbeat... but if a match is good enough to include in both sets, can't we just include it in both sets? It might also be interesting to see how Tiger Mask v. DK would have placed in WWF when it might not even make the NJ cut. That is just one example of what I am talking about. My bigger point is we shouldn't have to limit a match to one set if it could reasonably go in two.

I think home fed is a good rule. If Lawler is defending the AWA title in New Japan, it is a New Japan match, if he is defending it in WCCW it is a WCCW match, if it is in Memphis it is a Memphis match, if it is in San Francisco it is AWA. Problem with putting a match in more then one set, is the underlying motivation for the project is to make a final list of the best 200 or 250 matches of the 1980's, if a match finishes in the top 20 of two sets it kind of fucks that up. I don't know how many matches will come up with questionable pedigrees. It seems we can take it match by match.

This all started because I had talked to GH about what do we do with Houston because it was promoted in it's own outside of Mid-South until 1986 and brought in some outside talent although Watts talent was previlant starting in October 1982 after Boesch switched from Joe Blanchard to Watts as his main talent base. Sure there were Mid-South title bouts and shit on the Houston shows but Paul also had his own feuds involving the Guerreros, Al Madril, Bockwinkel, & Dusty that weren't on Mid-South TV or part of their plans.

Right, but my concern is that we discuss it and resolve it here instead of having individual conversations and not having everyone on the same page.

Yes everything like this has to be hashed out here.

Feels like we should stick Houston with Mid-South. The footage is all intertwined anyway

Yeah this was the first Houston show after the switch from Blanchard to Watts

 

Boesch @ Houston, TX – Sam Houston Coliseum – October 22, 1982

Cocoa Samoa vs. Bob Sweetan

Tiger Conway Jr. vs. ?

Hacksaw Duggan vs. Dick Murdoch

Killer Khan vs. Mike Sharpe

Tony Atlas vs. Dick Slater

AWA World Heavyweight Title: Nick Bockwinkel © vs. Tony Atlas

Besides what is featured on the commercial tapes and the 85-86 Houston Mid South shows, is there alot of Houston floating around?

Crockett also bought Florida, Central States and the Georgia TV time slot in the 80s. However we do this, we should do those the same way.

Besides what is featured on the commercial tapes and the 85-86 Houston Mid South shows, is there alot of Houston floating around?

Some but not a whole lot.

OK, well we gotta find those.

 

And I agree with Loss. If we do it one way for one poll, it should be consistent.

The plan we discussed for Crockett was to break it down into two sets. One set would be Florida/GA/Mid-Atlantic/Central States pre the Crockett TBS buyout, and the second set would be all the post buyout stuff. How does that sound?

I like that idea but in a phone conversation, Loss raised the point of being able to compare 1984 Flair-Steamboat to 1987 Flair-Windham as an example.

 

If we do that, then I think we can do JCP next since we have the majority of the footage. The only reason to hold it back is because it would be such a popular set, you don't have as many drawing cards after that.

Future sets:

Pre-Crockett NWA

JCP

Memphis

AWA

World Class/Southwest

Lucha

All Japan

New Japan

Joshi

Miscellaneous

 

What am I missing?

Okay we had a section broke down just for Gordon Solie announced promotions meaning Georgia which would be GCW & CWG before the Crockett buyout, Southeastern/Continental/USA (Knoxville), and Florida.

 

Crockett would be broken down from 1980-84, 1985-89 counting the post Crockett year of 1989 with this.

 

I think we had come to an agreement that Texas (World Class, Southwest, pre-Mid South Houston) & Memphis would be together.

 

Pacific Northwest on it's own.

 

AWA on it's own.

 

Stampede & Maple Leaf together.

 

WWC on it's own

 

Mexico on it's own

 

All-Japan & New Japan

 

Joshi

 

Europe

 

Then the other as assorted

Is their enough Pacific Northwest footage to justify it being on its own?

 

Enough WWC on it's own? Did the Puerto Rican AWF (friedlander has a bunch in his unwatched section) start in 80s or 90s?

 

International Wrestling from Montreal, I assume goes with Stampede and Maple Leaf.

Yeah International would go with Canada in general.

 

Well there is enough to do a section for PNW & WWC like we did for Japan indies where like 50 matches were nominated.

The thing with Portland... would 50 matches actually get nominated. There is some great stuff there but alot o great stuff actually took place in the 70s.

 

Also, Memphis being w/ World Class would help for 1988-89 but makes no sense for the 1st 8 years. This is something that def. has to be rethought.

OK more stuff to ponder...

 

Loss and I were talking and we think that instead of calling a set Crockett, we can call it TBS and non-TBS as that seems like a more natural fit where you can put Mid Atlantic with the non-TBS stuff and it would make more sense. Loss can explain this better than I can.

 

Maple Leaf should go with NWA and not with Canada. After watching the shows, it wasn't so much of a "home turf" as it was a TV show. It wasn't like they were trying to pretend they were 2 different territories like Crockett/UWF.

Based on the stuff Zellner has been putting up in the 80s territorial angle of the day threads at dvdvr, I get the impression that there is a lot more 80s Continental available than I thought. As before now I had only seen early 80s Continental on clips from PWTW.

I have quite a bit from 1988 but not much. Maybe guys like Bix and Frieldander have more out there.

Crockett was going to be split anyway in the beginning plans 1980-84, 1985-88.

I know. What this does is give us an exact date, not by years which does not flow well at all.

 

Loss has a much better explanation.

Right. The issue is that Mid Atlantic TV in 1984 and from before the TBS debut on 04/06/85 isn't really all that different from itself, and I'm not sure that just dividing the time line like is the best approach. Because you're still going to end up with Mid Atlantic TV matches on the 1985-1988 set, because that TV show kept running until early '86 when they switched Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling to Pro.

 

Is the reason for splitting the sets to make it a smaller set or because the two time periods seem disconnected?

 

Also, if the second set is 1985-1988, where does that leave 1989?

For the split question, both.

 

Each set will be more managable as smaller sets AND there is a distinct difference in product after the TBS debut.