January 9, 20205 yr comment_5908785 The best thing leading out of this show is Meltzer reviewing it and recalling the time when he got double detention in 6th grade because he corrected his teacher when she said "Elvis has sold the most records in history" and 11-year Dave apparently spoke up and said something like "That's not true, as a matter of fact, the Beatles have overtaken them as of this date."
January 9, 20205 yr comment_5908786 17 hours ago, goodhelmet said: Do you mean the Nightmare Collective segment? I want to make sure we are in agreement. Yep - was hooky like something from old TNA & with people not ready for national TV. Buried two women who seemed to have gotten over & then followed by dark order which is pretty much same angle.
January 9, 20205 yr comment_5908787 11 minutes ago, MoS said: The best thing leading out of this show is Meltzer reviewing it and recalling the time when he got double detention in 6th grade because he corrected his teacher when she said "Elvis has sold the most records in history" and 11-year Dave apparently spoke up and said something like "That's not true, as a matter of fact, the Beatles have overtaken them as of this date." I love that the story showed that Dave has always been Dave, and that he still is salty about it with the "....and I didn't deserve detention" line he said under his breath.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908790 Here's what I don't get about the Dark Order. This gimmick is obviously the shits and isn't really working. They are both good workers, and the previous video game based gimmick of Player Uno and Player Dos would probably actually get over with today's modern crowd who likely play a lot of video games. Yeah, they couldn't be called the Super Smash Brothers cause Nintendo would sue the shit out of AEW, but there have to be a million other video game related names they could come up with to name the team, no need to toss the baby out with the fucking bath water just cause you had to change your name.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908791 If I compare to the Nightmare Collective, I see no reason to can The Dark Order because we actually now know their purpose and motivation. Right now, it's about finding out who is that "Exalted One" that Evil Uno has started mentioning. To me, they've turned the corner with that gimmick since they start airing the vignettes and everything while with the Nightmare Collective, it looks more like a Brandi Rhodes vanity project more than anything. It's been almost 2 months and we still don't know why and how this came about.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908793 19 minutes ago, Blehschmidt said: Yeah, they couldn't be called the Super Smash Brothers cause Nintendo would sue the shit out of AEW, but there have to be a million other video game related names they could come up with to name the team, no need to toss the baby out with the fucking bath water just cause you had to change your name. Which makes me wonder: How the hell is Spoiler Kushida and Shelley getting away with being called TimeSplitters in NXT? I realize that's a much less famous game, comparatively speaking, but still... As for Brandi... 1. Pairing Brandi and Kong was a solid idea. 2. Pairing them with other female wrestlers is also solid. 3. The disconnect comes with Brandi trying to do an evil "Wicked Witch of the West" Halloween gimmick. In addition to being the drizzling shits, it's not real. People know Brandi, and they know that's not who she is. You can't really get away with that anymore, especially in AEW.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908794 Agreed with Brandi. Trying to do you own deal is fine, and the people involved are all capable of doing something cool, but having her go from loving wife of Cody to Bae Wyatt was too much of a gimmick change too fast. No one buys it, and because it appears to be Brandi's pet project I get the impression no one wants to be the one to say something about it. As far as Kushida and Shelley, I get the feeling everyone just assumes the team name comes from the Back to the Future gimmick and no one even thinks of the video games. Which does pose the question how has a gimmick so clearly based off a popular film franchise manage to fly under the radar in WWE?
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908796 42 minutes ago, sek69 said: As far as Kushida and Shelley, I get the feeling everyone just assumes the team name comes from the Back to the Future gimmick and no one even thinks of the video games. Which does pose the question how has a gimmick so clearly based off a popular film franchise manage to fly under the radar in WWE? It's fine for them to use that name in NXT, but if they ever get called up to Raw then Vince will rename them "The Time Travel Experience."
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908798 11 minutes ago, The Thread Killer said: It's fine for them to use that name in NXT, but if they ever get called up to Raw then Vince will rename them "The Time Travel Experience." You never know, a 30+ year old movie is right in Vince's wheelhouse.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908808 There are way too many "Is this person going to join this stable???" angles every single episode. Also, the Nightmare Collective is way too much like the Dark Order. But why the hell is Dr. Luther associated with Brandi now? It is way too odd a pairing to work. Other than that, I'm enjoying AEW and what they're trying to do. The Moxley-Jericho angle was perfect. They should also introduce a six man tag team title, since they're doing so many of those matches on a regular basis (which I love to see, FWIW).
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908809 I was around for FMW and WAR back in the day, yet I have zero recollection of Dr. Luther. This is like when I hear people talking about some random dude from the 90s working in WCW and I'd be like "when did that happen". It's like I have parts of 90s wrestling just randomly erased from my brain.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908819 The Nightmare Collective feels so out of place. Reminds me a bit of the Dungeon of Doom. Particularly when they were still around after the nWo formed.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908821 10 hours ago, SirEdger said: If I compare to the Nightmare Collective, I see no reason to can The Dark Order because we actually now know their purpose and motivation. Right now, it's about finding out who is that "Exalted One" that Evil Uno has started mentioning. To me, they've turned the corner with that gimmick since they start airing the vignettes and everything while with the Nightmare Collective, it looks more like a Brandi Rhodes vanity project more than anything. It's been almost 2 months and we still don't know why and how this came about. I don't disagree with you. Brandi Rhodes living out the Goth phase her parent's wouldn't let her have when she was 15 on national television is fucking terrible. I just felt like the Smash Brothers had a gimmick that was built for modern audiences and seemingly tossed it out the window just cause they couldn't use the name.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908823 Kenny Omega & Adam Page vs. Private Party opened with 1,013,000 Ending of Omega & Page vs. Private Party/Omega chases PAC lost 69,000 Riho vs. Kris Statlander/Brandi + Nightmare Collective gained 17,000 Christopher Daniels vs. Sammy Guevara/Dark Order lost 48,000 Dustin & Cody Rhodes vs. Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix/Arn Anderson gained 28,000 MJF promo with DDP, BBB, etc. stayed even Luchasaurus & Jungle Boy & Marko Stunt vs. Trent & Chuck Taylor & Orange Cassidy lost 44,000 Chris Jericho's offer with Jon Moxley gained 73,000 Finished 970,000
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908824 If you check the Jan 1 numbers in that thread, you will see that Riho once again made gains and is AEW's TV star. Jericho and MOX of course are superstars and the big money feud.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908826 Hopefully, Brandi understands that it's Riho who is the ratings draw....
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908829 53 minutes ago, MoS said: Hopefully, Brandi understands that it's Riho who is the ratings draw.... IMHO that's why Brandi piggybacked Riho's match.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908833 3 hours ago, War is Raw said: IMHO that's why Brandi piggybacked Riho's match. A title match too. Lots of viewers tuned out after that segment and that is probably more important.
January 10, 20205 yr comment_5908834 4 hours ago, MoS said: Hopefully, Brandi understands that it's Riho who is the ratings draw.... Brandi pulling a HHH move here
January 11, 20205 yr comment_5908837 RockNES Monsters had a better video game-based gimmick name, but maybe I'm alone in thinking that. I could definitely see how it would go over the heads of some folks. You guys are right though. The Super Smash Bros were a fun act and a solid team. I never got behind the idea that they were the best unsigned tag team in the business at any point in time like some have touted, but they were fun and exciting for sure. The Dark Order stuff is some 1999 Acolytes level horse shit. I feel like a pinch of brain power and an energy drink could get them to stir up a list of a dozen video game names that could work for them.
January 11, 20205 yr comment_5908839 I agree with the sentiment that The Dark Order gimmick is wrestlecrap material but I love their tag team finish. That might be my favorite tag finish since The Dudley Death Drop.
January 11, 20205 yr comment_5908840 At least a one week pause on any and all tope suicidas, please!!!
January 11, 20205 yr Author comment_5908842 12 minutes ago, Cowboy Hats 4.0 said: At least a one week pause on any and all tope suicidas, please!!! Hahaha...yeah, that's become an ordinary move even more than the Canadian Destroyer
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