Posted July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923397 I know some of the vets here have more knowledge regarding the Eatons, Mortons, and Gibsons(es?) of the world, but at least in this century, is Cesaro the best tag worker in the world? The volume of his work with the likes of Chris Hero, Tyson Kidd, Sheamus, and even Nakamura is staggering. How does he fair, historically speaking?
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923401 Cesaro is great, and is great at working tags is part of that. I don't see him as a top 10 tag team wrestler all time or anything though. I really think for the most part the wrestlers who are best at working tags are the best at putting on entertaining matches in general. Like the best tag worker ever for me might be Kenta Kobashi.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923403 I'm pretty much always going with Eaton on the question of the all-time GOAT. I also think you may be overrating Cesaro based on the variety of partners. He's very good, but even in this century, there have been consistent teams where the members are a little hard to rate individually but almost have to be above Cesaro. The Young Bucks, Usos, ReDragon, FTR, New Day, the Briscoes - all of those teams have more high end matches than Cesaro has been involved in. The Dudley Boyz and the Hardyz as well. If you're requiring that this be across multiple partners, he's probably higher up the list. Hard to find guys who've been as good as him with many partners in this century. Rocky Romero? Edge? Kofi? Kenny Omega?
July 20, 20205 yr Author comment_5923408 Oh, surely, there are better tag teams - although The Bar is a really fucking good one. The point was more about how Cesaro can be consistently good with many different partners. There was also his team with Swagger which was also really good, and I could've sworn they had a title reign as well. I guess Kofi is a contender, and technically Goldust is still active and is still really fucking good.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923411 Bobby Eaton had to team with George Gulas. No one is touching him historically.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923412 Yeah, Eaton basically eliminates Claudio from this conversation. He had all time tag teams with Condrey and Lane, one of the most under rated teams of all time with Koko. None of Claudio's teams touch those, and I love Claudio. Hell, honestly I think the Bar overall was a giant letdown of a team, and it always felt like those 2 should have worked much better then they actually did.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923421 I'd argue that 2010s WWE Main Roster Tag Wrestling is basically broken anyway, with a majority of matches where 2/3rds of the match is an extended finishing stretch.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923426 Ever? No. Of his generation, at least as far as known western talents? I'd actually say yes, although I'm not high on the Bar and think the Kings of Wrestling weren't even a top 5 team when they were active.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923429 No. Not in a world with FTR, The Briscoes and Dustin Rhodes. He is, however, one of the best bases of all time. Cesaro's How to Catch a Damn Dive 101 should be a mandatory course.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923435 It's very tough for me to rate somebody higher than Bobby Eaton and Ricky Morton. To me, those guys are untouchables. I'd agree with @southofheavy about Cesaro being particularly good at doing the basics and the little things that adds to a match. I'd bet that there's a trainer job waiting Cesaro once his active days in the ring are over. But to answer the question, if we look at the current crop of the past 10-15 years, Cesaro is definitely one of the best tag workers. If you can gel with so many guys (Tyson Kidd, Chris Hero, Sheamus, Shinsuke), that says something about you.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923438 I'd say Kobashi is the tag GOAT because he excelled in virtually every conceivable role in a tag setting. He was great as the guy at the young up-and-comer at the bottom of the totem pole in the Jumbo/Misawa feud, Misawa's junior partner, the senior member of Burning, and the legend working dream matches and mentoring young boys in NOAH. He's probably the greatest hot tag of all time and one of the top handful of FIPs in history. I guess he never really worked heel, but he could get pretty heelish when working over the likes of Ogawa. I agree with Matt about WWE tag wrestling being broken, but my main issue is the inexplicable insistence on simultaneous tags.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923449 24 minutes ago, El-P said: Nick or Matt Jackson say hello. Tell them we're not home.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923453 26 minutes ago, Matt D said: Tell them we're not home. I wish there was a like button on this board.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923460 This century? I would say he's up there but I don't know if I would really need to think about the best. Guys like the Bucks, Briscoes, KO, Zayn, Baretta, Dustin and Revival come to mind. Even guys like John Morrison and James Storm were in multiple good successful tag teams.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923462 This century also includes Alex Shelley who excelled in both MCMG and Timesplitters
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923463 I'd say he's a fair shout. The Bar were one of the best tag teams of the last decade. They could get a fun match out of anyone and worked well as a unit.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923468 3 minutes ago, El-P said: Robert Roode says hi. Are you just gonna keep naming wrestlers that can't hold a candle to Cesaro or.....
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923472 3 minutes ago, El Dragon said: Are you just gonna keep naming wrestlers that can't hold a candle to Cesaro or..... Cesaro is a great wrestler but WWE style is rated on a curve. I'm just naming great tag-team wrestlers from the same time period. Robert Roode was a terrific tag-team worker for a long time.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923476 Just now, El-P said: Cesaro is a great wrestler but WWE style is rated on a curve. Robert Roode was a terrific tag-team worker for a long time. And none of his tag teams were as good as as the Kings of Wrestling. Hell, Beer Money wasn't as good of a tag team as Kidd and Cesaro. If you want to name some contenders here, you'd want guys who have had great tag matches with multiple partners in multiple settings in multiple roles. I'd look more Roderick Strong then James Storm, for example. You could also make a decent case for the Briscoes, if you wanted.
July 20, 20205 yr comment_5923486 Goldust when he wasn't on drugs has to be up there for this century. His tag team with Booker T in 2002-03 had lots of really good matches, I prefer their team to any combination of the Smackdown Six in that same period. He was easily the better wrestler of the Rhodes Brothers team in WWE and I'd even say AEW as well.
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