September 9, 20214 yr comment_5962140 It's something for the truthers to latch on to in their undying quest to never acknowledge AEW having any success. On the other hand, all the "TV ratings and PPV numbers don't count because no one watches traditional TV/PPV anymore" is so bonkers out of touch with reality.
September 10, 20214 yr comment_5962240 I particularly hate that one to justify Raw's ratings. Yes illegal pirate streams exist but you might have 20,000 people doing that total.
September 10, 20214 yr comment_5962242 Plus pirate streams mean no advertisements. So these are useless views for the announcers anyway.
September 10, 20214 yr comment_5962244 Tony Khan has officially said it cracked 200k buys, although he hasn't given a concrete number yet. I am guessing he is waiting for the numbers of the last-minute cable buys and replays to come in.
September 10, 20214 yr comment_5962277 Sometimes this board spends way too much time talking/arguing about the lowest common denominator of wrestling fans. "Truthers", trolls, stans, etc. they are not gonna be convinced no matter what and most of them live for you to worry or talk about their hot/dumb/ takes or crazy behavior. 200k in 2021 is a huge success no matter how you slice it. 4 hours ago, El-P said: People on Twitter : "Yeah but...." Basically. And that was gonna happen even if All Out did 300-400k. I would expect morons to talk about "that show was like their WM and it didn't even crack half a million? Failure" or that kind of nonsense.
September 10, 20214 yr comment_5962279 I don't think WWE was hitting 200k outside of the Big Four since like 2003-2005. And even then, some of the big four weren't hitting 200k buys in the last couple of years before the Network.
September 10, 20214 yr comment_5962280 The one thing that strikes me this week as we got the first infamous post All Out weekly show (which got the ratings that we know), apart from the definite WCW 1996 feel of "holy shit, everybody could show up now", is the almost dream state, surrealistic quality of the whole thing. Four years ago, there was no opposition to WWE. And now, there's this weekly TV show that we almost already take for granted (not me), that has CM Punk and Bryan Danielson, and those guys from the Bullet Club who put NJPW on fire, and Adam Cole from NXT, and Sting of course, and they are beating RAW in the key demo (which doesn't exist... wink wink nudge nudge). And by the way, this show is announced by Tony Schiavone. In France this would get a Kamoulox ref, which would probably too long to explain here, but really if you said this would happen to a pro-wrestling fan in September of 2017, this would have looked like complete and total insanity. No way in hell such of thing could ever occur in the real world. And yet. Just fascinating to me.
September 11, 20214 yr comment_5962287 7 hours ago, MoS said: Tony Khan has officially said it cracked 200k buys, although he hasn't given a concrete number yet. I am guessing he is waiting for the numbers of the last-minute cable buys and replays to come in. I bought the PPV like 3 minutes before it started so sorry about that.
September 11, 20214 yr comment_5962295 2 hours ago, strobogo said: I don't think WWE was hitting 200k outside of the Big Four since like 2003-2005. And even then, some of the big four weren't hitting 200k buys in the last couple of years before the Network. Looks more like the Big 4 PPVs are really a big 3, maybe big 2.5. But those Wrestlemania numbers were huge
September 11, 20214 yr comment_5962367 In fact 9 out of the top 10 of those shows had The Rock or Brock Lesnar. Of course it's not a coincidence that those guys always appear on the biggest shows, but yeah.
September 11, 20214 yr comment_5962369 As Loss mentioned on Twitter, Hell in a Cell 2012, with the Punk Ryback match that did 200k buys, was considered a big success at that time. This show would have been a major success by 2012-13 WWE standards, forget about AEW standards.
September 15, 20214 yr comment_5962777 Tell me if I’m wrong but 200k is the break even point for a PPV? Or is that only in boxing and MMA?
September 15, 20214 yr comment_5962780 I don't believe it's the threshold even for MMA anymore. I think 145k-150k is the breakeven. I believe for UFC, because they are protected by the ESPN deal, if they get <145k, they get a flat fee from ESPN, while anything above that, they can pocket the residues from the revenue.
September 16, 20214 yr comment_5962847 10 hours ago, joeg said: Tell me if I’m wrong but 200k is the break even point for a PPV? Or is that only in boxing and MMA? PBC seems happy with 200K-buy PPVs but that's a money laundering front if there ever was one, so who's to say?
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