Since we are doing this set next, I was wondering, how much Mid-South Coliseum exists unclipped? I seem to remember seeing a lot of great looking music vidoes and very few complete matches. I think we are going to be spoiled by the Watts, as we can cavilerly dismiss JIP matches because we have so much uncut, is there anything like that out there for Memphis?

There are quite a few unclipped matches but some of the best ones are not available in full such as the TX Death tag match. We just got in a batch of arena footage from Evansville and there are some choice studio matches. However, the Memphis set ill be considerably smaller than the Mid South set.

I'd be willing to guess the extras set may be more than the matches set.

The real shitty thing is something like an early 1988 music video covering a four man tournament for a shot at someone (Hennig maybe?) that is only covered via Music Video. But the stuff shown in the MV (Lawler vs. Hall, Dundee vs. Jarrett, and then Dundee vs. Lawler) are all outstanding clips. But no full matches.

 

And even studio stuff can be iffy. On a TV episode that follows this MV, there is a Battle Royal for the #1 contenders spot, and the battle royal is pretty bad but the finals are Dundee vs. Jarrett, which is about 2:30 minutes of great action.

 

Even the great Lawler/Dundee Loser Leaves Town matches (6/83 and 12/85) are clipped (6/83 actually has two different versions floating around, one of which I think is personally better than the other in terms of where they clip and what they show). Plus, essential to both of those matches would be the Music Video highlights which show spots not seen in the TV versions. Dundee flying off the top rope and doing a butt splash on Lawler (and getting nice height) is in the 12/85 MV but not in the TV version of the match.

 

I'm kind of getting my life sorted out (nothing bad but I have to believe Phil/Tom thinks I am a total dickface, with good reason) so I would love to participate in the Memphis selection process.

Tim, feel free to post any matches you want to nominate. However, the final list will be decided between myself, Kris and Phil.

I've nominated a lot in the Mid-South folder and it has been a blast. I hope to participate here too.

Off the top of my head, the most plentiful periods as far as house show stuff would be:

 

- '82-'83 via Cornette, Lynch, and others. I have the Cornette raw footage version of Lawler-Dundee 6/6/83 and will check it against the FNN/Score Lawler special version.

- '83-'84 via PM Film, Wrestling Gold, etc.

- '84-'85 "Arena" TV shows originally owned by Steve Munari, now by Charles Warburton. We have some, but there's a lot more. Friedlander has a lot of these in the NL list. Plus the Lawler-Dundee LLT, wherever Rick's copy came from.

- '87 via Trent Warren's recordings when the "Arena" show was aired in Evansville.

- A small amount of '88 from the "Match of the Week" from their shows on FNN/Score. There should be more than we have, including a Lawler-Kerry match.

 

This doesn't include stuff on commercial tapes, which have stuff from various periods. Also, in '87, the "Arena" show aired a Chick Donovan vs Koko Ware match from '80-'81ish to build up Chick's return. Plus, there's Lawler's 2nd FNN/Score special (never seen the first around) which is mostly stuff we don't have elsewhere-Savage LLT, Bigelow TX Death, Rude cage...

 

I also have a Lawler-LeDuc from Cornette where Lawler gets 10 lashes if he loses, and Hart gets 10 if LeDuc loses, plus a complete (I think) version of Lawler-Hogan.

 

As far as stuff that exists but we don't have, Scott Decker had these on his old site:

 

 

CWA Arena matches: Tape #1 - 1988 http://web.archive.org/web/20040529081820/...tape_00750.html

 

CWA Arena matches: Tape #2 - 1988 http://web.archive.org/web/20040529082507/...tape_00751.html

 

USWA Nashville, TN - 7/9/89 http://web.archive.org/web/20040529081749/...tape_00758.html

 

USWA Jonesboro, AR - 7/10/89 http://web.archive.org/web/20040529082639/...tape_00759.html

 

The most notable match is Lawler vs Ron Garvin from '88.

 

There is more raw footage that Cornette has and sent copies of to RF. Warburton has this tape but it's hard to get a deal started with him and it has tracking faults dubbed onto it by RF:

 

#2248--MEMPHIS ARENA CLASSICS--1981--VG--SLP (SLIGHT TRACKING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT)

 

Ricky Morton vs. Gypsy Joe

Super Destroyer vs. Roy Rogers

Rick & Robert Gibson vs. Cuban assasin/ali hassan

Nightmares/Killer Karl Krupp vs. Jerry Lawler/Ricky Morton/Tojo Yamamoto

Dutch Mantell vs. Dream Machine

Bill Dundee/Steve Keirn vs. Stan Lane/Koko Ware

Stan Lane vs. Roy Rogers

Bobby Eaton vs. Tommy Gilbert

Steve Keirn vs. The Nighmare

Dennis Condrey/Randy Rose vs. Eddie Gilbert/Ricky Morton

Andy Kaufman vs. Foxy BROWN

Rick/ Robert Gibson vs. Cuban assasin/ali hassan

Ricky Morton vs. Gypsy Joe

Nightmare vs. Roy Rogers

Randy Rose/Norvell Austin vs. Rick McCord/Tojo Yamamoto

Dutch Mantell vs. Dream Machine

Rick & Robert Gibson vs. Cuban assasin/ali hassan

Jerry Lawler/Bill Dundee vs. Koko Ware/Super Destroyer

Randy Rose vs. Roy Rogers

Dennis Condrey vs. Ricky Morton

Bill Dundee/Steve Keirn/Tojo Yamamoto/GIBSONS vs. Stan Lane/Koko Ware/Dennis Condrey/Norvell Austin/Randy Rose

Bill Dundee/Steve Keirn vs. Koko Ware/Stan Lane

Tojo Yamamoto vs. Gypsy Joe

Dennis Condrey/Randy Rose vs. Ricky Morton/Roy Rogers

Dream Machine vs. RicK McCord

Dutch Mantell vs. Stan Lane

Finals of 23 Man Battle Royal (Gibson Brothers & Midnight Express)

 

We can hope that Steve Friedlander's '81-'82 Arena stuff is properly dated and this is among it.

 

Warburton also has these listed:

 

#293--MEMPHIS ARENA/TV--11/83--VG/GOOD--SLP

 

JERRY LAWLER VS. JESSE VENTURA

FABULOUS ONES VS. ASSASSINS (CWA TAG TITLE CHANGE)

BUDDY LANDEL VS. TOMMY ROGERS

BILL DUNDEE VS. ASSASSIN

FABULOUS ONES VIDEO

LAWLER/AUSTIN IDOL VS. STAN HANSEN/VENTURA

DUTCH MANTELL VS. BUDDY LANDEL

ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS/RICK GIBSON VS. NORVELL AUSTIN/DENNIS CONDREY/LANDEL

JERRY LAWLER VS. JESSE VENTURA

STAN HANSEN VS. AUSTIN IDOL (BUNKHOUSE)

DUNDEE/LAWLER VS. BRUISE BROS.

BOBBY EATON VS. JIM CORNETTE/JIMMY HART

MOONDOGS VS. IRA REESE/JIM JAMISON

TERRY TAYLOR/EATON/KOKO WARE VS. FRAZIER/HUTCHINSON/OWENS

CLIP: KEN PATERA VS. JERRY LAWLER

CLIP: ASSASSINS VS. LAWLER/IDOL

ASSASSINS VS. BOYD/JOHNSON

TOMMY ROGERS VS. PAT HUTCHINSON

BRUISE BROS. VS. BOYD/JEFF VAN KAMP

LANDEL/CONDREY VS. TOM PRICHARD/JAMISON

TAYLOR/EATON VS. HUTCHINSON/DONOVAN

MOONDOGS VS. JOHNSON/MASHBIN

ASSASSINS VS. KING/RAPER

LAWLER/IDOL/VAN KAMP VS WINSTON/PANTHER/FRAZIER

KEN PATERA VS. ROBERT REED

MOONDOGS VS. TAYLOR/EATON

MANTELL/EATON/TAYLOR VS. OWENS/CARL FERGIE/ PAT HUTCHINSON

FABULOUS ONES VS. PANTHER/HUTCHINSON

GRAPPLERS VS. ROGERS/WARE

BRUISE BROS. VS. ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS

CLIP: FABS VS. ASSASSINS

DUNDEE/EATON VS. HUTCHINSON/PANTHER

CONDREY/PRINCE/LUCIFER VS. GALAXIAN/DESTROYER/ LOU WINSTON

ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS VS. GALAXIAN/OWENS

WARE/MANTELL VS. DONOVAN/HUTCHINSON

ASSASSINS VS. RAPER/KING

 

#444--MEMPHIS ARENA--’82 & TV FROM MID ‘84--FAIR--LP*

 

JERRY LAWLER/BILL DUNDEE VS. SHEEPHERDERS

FABULOUS ONES VS. JESSE BARR/ONE MAN GANG

JACKIE FARGO VS. JIMMY HART

JERRY LAWLER VS. NICK BOCKWINKEL (SOUTHERN TITLE CHANGE)

BOBBY EATON/KOKO WARE VS. KAMALA/JACQUES ROUGEAU

RICK MCGRAW/DREAM MACHINE VS. STEVE REGAL/SPIKE HUBER

INTRO OF FABULOUS ONES

JERRY LAWLER VIDEO

JERRY LAWLER VS. DUTCH MANTELL

LAWLER/COWBOY LANG VS. STAN FRAZIER/LITTLE TOKYO

BILL DUNDEE VS. STEVE KEIRN

ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS VS. GRAPPLERS

CLIP: ROAD WARRIORS VS. AUSTIN IDOL/LAWLER

CLIP: ZAMBUIE EXPRESS/KING KONGA VS. LAWLER/IDOL/RICH

“NEW FABS” VIDEO

BATTLE ROYAL WON BY DUTCH MANTELL

CONFRONTATION: AUSTIN IDOL VS. RICK ROOD

JERRY LAWLER VIDEO

CONFRONTATION: RICK ROOD VS. AUSTIN IDOL

ARM WRESTLING: JERRY LAWLER VS. JOE LEDUC

 

Does this have anything we're missing?

 

#521--MEMPHIS ARENA--3 - 4/83--GOOD--LP

 

CLIP: BILL DUNDEE VS. TERRY TAYLOR (SOUTHERN TITLE CHANGE)

JERRY LAWLER VS. BOBBY EATON

FABULOUS ONES VS. BOBBY EATON/DREAM MACHINE (NO DQ)

JESSE BARR/JIM CORNETTE VS. KOKO WARE/JIMMY HART

JERRY LAWLER VS. WARE/HART

BOBBY EATON VS. STAGGER LEE (MID AMERICA TITLE CHANGE)

FABULOUS ONES VS. MOONDOGS (SOUTHERN TAG TITLE CHANGE)

STAGGER LEE VS. STAN FRAZIER

TERRY TAYLOR VS. BILL DUNDEE (2 REFS)

NEWS FEATURE ON JARRETT PROMOTIONS IN NASHVILLE

“P.M. MAGAZINE” FEATURE ON HULK HOGAN

BRUISE BROTHERS/GRAPPLERS VS. ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS/ TAYLOR/LEE

FABULOUS ONES VS. DUKE MYERS/EATON/HART/CORNETTE

JERRY LAWLER VS. BILL DUNDEE (LOSER LEAVES TOWN--CLASSIC!!)

DUTCH MANTELL/STAGGER LEE VS. BRUISE BROTHERS

ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS VS. GRAPPLERS (TEXAS DEATH MATCH)

ROCK ‘N’ ROLL/EATON VS. MOONDOGS/HART

JERRY LAWLER VS. KEN PATERA (INTERNATIONAL TITLE CHANGE)

TOMMY ROGERS VS. ADRIAN STREET

MOONDOGS VS. TAYLOR/EATON

LAWLER/IDOL/VALIANT VS. ASSASSINS/KEN PATERA

Rick's copy came from me and I got it from a Scott Browden comp tape.

So I haven't tape traded ion a long long time, but who was the girl from I want to say Boston who had lots of indy footage? Because my memory is she had lots a Memphis handhled houseshow stuff.

Tanya Cornell?

 

Trying to dig up parts of her old trading site, the only Memphis handhelds I see is a tape from 7/91 (which I do have).

 

She has something listed as "Jerry 'The King' Lawler Show" that looks like it might be the first FNN/Score special, but it might not have anything "new."

Rick's copy came from me and I got it from a Scott Browden comp tape.

Does Scott have anything else of note? I remember asking him once and he didn't seem to think he had anything special.

Apparently for the next two months, Memphis TV is going to be all classic matches. Do we have a current source for Memphis TV?

Also I know Bix has never seen the Dundee v. Koko scaffold match and I didn't remember where I got it from, but it was from Scott Decker comp 6. I have no idea whether I still have that, but I am sure someone does.

Goddammit, I have been searching for that shit for 2 years.

I'm trying to work out a deal w/ a dude from Crazy Max that has MSC Lawler-Hennig and Lawler-Kerry matches from FNN/Score that we need.

There is a complete 10/18/82 Bockwinkel-Lawler on 24/7 right now.

Is Lawler-Hennig the title match? If so, I have that commercial tape.

Have you sent that out to anyone?

Um... I don't know. If not, I can send to you with the Bix batch.

Cool, also do you have a source for 24/7 stuff, we obviously need the Bock v. Lawler match from this month. I can throw it on a tape, but you probably want someone who can burn it directly to DVD

I have a 24/7 source so that should be no problem. I sent out the Freidlander stuff already so I'll send the Bix batch along with Lawler-Hennig in the mail this week.

I posted this in the Friedlander thread in Collection Data but it's worth posting here, too:

 

Friedlander's Memphis Arena '82 is largely new stuff. It appears to be a nicer copy of this Warburton tape that we wanted:

 

#444--MEMPHIS ARENA--’82 & TV FROM MID ‘84--FAIR--LP*

 

JERRY LAWLER/BILL DUNDEE VS. SHEEPHERDERS

FABULOUS ONES VS. JESSE BARR/ONE MAN GANG

JACKIE FARGO VS. JIMMY HART

JERRY LAWLER VS. NICK BOCKWINKEL (SOUTHERN TITLE CHANGE)

BOBBY EATON/KOKO WARE VS. KAMALA/JACQUES ROUGEAU

RICK MCGRAW/DREAM MACHINE VS. STEVE REGAL/SPIKE HUBER

INTRO OF FABULOUS ONES

JERRY LAWLER VIDEO

JERRY LAWLER VS. DUTCH MANTELL

LAWLER/COWBOY LANG VS. STAN FRAZIER/LITTLE TOKYO

BILL DUNDEE VS. STEVE KEIRN

ROCK ‘N’ ROLL EXPRESS VS. GRAPPLERS

CLIP: ROAD WARRIORS VS. AUSTIN IDOL/LAWLER

CLIP: ZAMBUIE EXPRESS/KING KONGA VS. LAWLER/IDOL/RICH

“NEW FABS” VIDEO

BATTLE ROYAL WON BY DUTCH MANTELL

CONFRONTATION: AUSTIN IDOL VS. RICK ROOD

JERRY LAWLER VIDEO

CONFRONTATION: RICK ROOD VS. AUSTIN IDOL

ARM WRESTLING: JERRY LAWLER VS. JOE LEDUC

 

Lawler-Bockwinkel is from 11/8/82 where Lawler regains the Southern title in the program designed to show that he can beat Bockwinkel.

 

The other arena discs are mislabeled dupes of the '82-'83 and '83 arena stuff that we already have from RF and Lynch.

Will did you send this disc to me? I didn't see it on first run through

No, I didn't make copies of the arena stuff. I just sent the Friedlander originals to Bix.

So should I get it from Bix, and did you at least keep a copy for yourself?