First, to fill everyone in, I have Dean working with me and Childs on joshi and invited Naylor to help me jumpstart Portland.

 

 

Phil, Kris, shoe...

 

Where are you guys at with your batch of footage? Are you guys close to sending to the next guy? I noticed that the reviews have slowed down lately in Mempho.

 

 

Loss...

 

Are you going to have time to still do the joshi? I got Dean added to the joshi pile so it is covered but I want to know if you still want to participate. Also, I still need to pick the 8 discs from the last trade.

 

 

TomK...

 

Do you want to get a head start on any other territory or do you do all of your wrestling watching with Phil? Let me know if there is something you want to take the lead on or help get a jump on.

 

 

Bix...

 

How much more Walburton/Dan are you waiting for before we trade?

 

 

Tim Cooke...

 

I knew you wanted to be part of the Memphis discussion but you have been MIA. What's going on? Also, have you been able to check on the Lawler-Dundee match?

 

 

KHawk...

 

Do you want to start listing the AWA discs and start nominating and reviewing discs?

I am in the process of converting tapes from Dan to DVD and I'm waiting on DVDs from Charles, which I'm guessing will arrive mid to late this week.

I have four house guests this weekend, so I am not watching wrestling, should get kicking again tomorrow

I'm down to 11 ICW discs

I have 3 discs left.

Kris, you send your stuff to Shoe, I'll send to you, Shoe send to me.

I can't promise anything on the Joshi. Work requires a lot of me these days.

 

As for the 8 discs, just PM me the ones you want and I'll get them out to you.

I actually need the version that aired on the Lawler TSN special.

OK, I am going to the post office today and probably on Thursday. I'll send on Thursday.

Starting to list and nominate matches is in my mind, but I need some clarification on a couple of things.

 

a) Is this project for 80's only matches? I'm thinking of the High Flyers vs. Lanza/Duncum from 7/7/77 Winnipeg which is complete and I am sure there are a few others kicking around (never mind the Luce footage, which leads to my second question)....

 

There are a lot of clipped arena matches. A LOT. What AWA TV used to do pre-86 was to have a squash/interview format, and then they would show a JIP match from the Civic Center, usually used to build a match upcoming. How are these clips to be grouped? What percentage of a match needs to be present for it to be counted? This also affects the Bob Luce footage greatly if the 70's material is to be included as that is almost all clipped to one degree or another.

 

Recently I've extracted a ton of mat classics to seperate discs from the 88 and 89 set, and they are all quite short...averaging about 4 minutes each. I do have longer clips in some cases, but not all, and even the longer clips are almost all JIP. Winnipeg footage is a different animal, a lot of what aired actuallaired complete. (I can provide specific info on the percentage of the matches shown if necessary for review). How this is ruled also affects things like the Brunzell-Bockwinkel 60 minute draw, of which about 35 minutes aired.

 

Let me know when you can, folks. Thanks.

Let me try to clarify a few things...

 

No 70s matches. 80s only.

 

I don't think JIP is as bad as clippped up matches although both can be nominated if yuou can get more than 50% of the match in. Obviously you want much more but this might have to be a case by case basis. For the Bock-Brunzell example, that is not a bad chunk of match provided it hits main points like any momentum changes and the finish. Hell, I recently put the HBK-Cena match on DVD and because of commercial breaks, only about 43 minutes owere actually shown even though it was "complete". I know this will be the same issue for the Hennig-Bock match.

 

For Mid South, we used a five minute rule for matches but that might not be in place for Memphis so you can nominate something for discussion even if it ends up on an Extras disc.

 

Look at the other folders on ideas of what to do for the tape and match nominations.

I'm pretty sure there's a version of Hennig/Bock with no commercial breaks floating around. If the version most people have isn't that way, I know for a fact the version I have is unclipped and on VHS. There would be some VQ sacrifices, so I guess it depends on what people would want.

Where'd it come from?

TomK...

 

Do you want to get a head start on any other territory or do you do all of your wrestling watching with Phil? Let me know if there is something you want to take the lead on or help get a jump on.

 

Whats territories available for me to get head start on?

Where'd it come from?

John McAdam.

Whats territories available for me to get head start on?

 

You can help me get a jump on All Japan and I can send you some TV seasons and the G+ Classics. I know shoe is going to start working on World Class by going through the romdam collection and I can send you that set. I need to get my World of Sport collection sorted out but I could probably put a bunch of those on disc for you. It is your call. Anything to give us a head start on a territory.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure there's a version of Hennig/Bock with no commercial breaks floating around.

I would like to hear KHawk chime in. I got mine from him so maybe he knows of a more complete version.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041224080718/....com/tape80.htm

 

TAPE # J1099: MATCHES FROM 1983 - 1990:

RIC FLAIR VS RONNIE GARVIN from Atlanta, Feb 1986. This aired on a forgotten WTBS prime-time special, the first of it's kind. This was a good, tight match. 3 1/4 ***.

NICK BOCKWINKEL v CURT HENNIG from Las Vegas, 12/86. This is the classic, hard-to-find one-hour raw shown in it's entirety with no commercials. Video quality is below par, but entirely watchable. Both men work their butts off in this 4 1/2 *** match.

HULK HOGAN v ANTONIO INOKI from tne 1983 IWGP tourney finals - Hogan is booked to lose the match, but Inoki land head first outside the ring, suffers a legit concussion and is knocked cold on the floor. Inoli was in and out of a coma for over a week and there has been much speculation over the years as to whether or not Hogan's "mistake" was an accident or not.

RIC FLAIR v JUMBO TSURUTA, two out of three falls - 40 minutes of a 60-minute draw are shown. This is a FANTASTIC match, as Tsuruta and Flair both work their butts off. Flair puts Tsuruta over by losing the first fall and going to a draw in the second - great match, great heat- the Japanese fans were up for this one. 4 1/2 ***.

RIC FLAIR v SCOTT STIENER from 1990.

ARN ANDERSON v SCOTT STIENER from 1990. Scott was considered the NWA's next great superstar at this time.

HULK HOGAN & RODDY PIPER v PAUL ORNDORFF & HARLEY RACE, from New York, 1986. I'm no sure, but I think this is the only time Hogan and Piper, the two key players in the federation's national expansion era, have ever teamed.

CAGE MATCH: RIC FLAIR v RONNIE GARVIN from Detroit, 9/25/87. The match where Garvin wins the NWA title, shown in it's entirety- I've been looking for this match for years!

BARRY WINDHAM v ARN ANDERSON, from Philadelphia, 1987. Disappointing.

RIC FLAIR v NIKITA KOLOFF from Los Angeles, 1987. In his prime, Flair could have a four star match vs a dead body. But Nikita's not as good as a dead body, so this one gets 3 1/4 ***.

ROCK & ROLL EXPRESS v THE BRITISH BULLDOGS from Kansas City, 1989. 3 1/2 ***.

STAN HANSEN v JERRY BLACKWELL in a good, double-juice match from Oakland, 1986. I think this was Hansen's final AWA match before walking out with the title in a dispute a few days later.

RICK MARTEL v TERRY GORDY from Atlantic City, 1985. Martel defends the AWA title.

CAGE MATCH: BRUNO SAMMARTINO v RODDY PIPER from Boston, 1986- a terrific, all-out brawl with great heat and action. Match cuts off right before the finish. 3 1/2 ***.

RIC FLAIR & RICK MARTEL v JUMBO TSURUTA & GENICHIRO TENYRU- I beleive this is the only time the NWA champ (Flair) ever teamed with the AWA champ (Martel). 3 3/4 ***.

5 hours, video quality ranges from very good to fair- but EVERYTHING is watchable.

I'm pretty sure there's a version of Hennig/Bock with no commercial breaks floating around.

I would like to hear KHawk chime in. I got mine from him so maybe he knows of a more complete version.

 

I'm going to try and check that tonight. I know my own version is 49 minutes long and I clipped the thing myself in the first 15 minutes or so (don't ask, lol...). I have another complete version on one of the Bockwinkel 3-packs. I also have what I think is a complete version on an AWA tape I got from Corey Morgan a long time ago. I'm not remembering the VQ to be great on that one, however.

 

But I'm thinking that the one on the 1986 set is complete as well, but I will have to check.

 

Re: Bock-Brunzell, what they did was show the first 5-8 minutes of the match and then edit out the middle, jumping right to the last 25-30 minutes and showing it complete. It was a cool show on TSN beccause it was as I remember squash-Bock/Brunzell/squash and that was the whole hour. They didn't interupt the long match with commercials so they jammed them in before and after.

 

The information is helpful. My kid's hockey seeason is almost over (I'm coaching) so I will have plenty more time to get on match reviews in the next few weeks.

The one from the 1986 set is complete. It starts at about 28:50 into the show and ends at 1:28:31. I just did a quick scan but any commercials edited out would have noticably shortened the bout, and it runs an hour on the dvd.

So was the match a Cena-Michaels type deal where it was actually the length it ran w/o commercials and the commercials were inserted in a way that only removed a few seconds but made the match seem longer?

So was the match a Cena-Michaels type deal where it was actually the length it ran w/o commercials and the commercials were inserted in a way that only removed a few seconds but made the match seem longer?

It will take a complete re-watching to listen to the announcers to see if they do any verbal cut-aways, but I don't remember them doing any (I wouldn't have trusted Trongard and Blears to remember to do them anyway). It certainly doesn't look like there are any visually in the match itself. This episode of AWA wrestling was 90 minutes long on the disc that I have, so maybe it was built into the show to be commercial-free to accomodate the length.

 

There is one point around the 40 minute mark where the wrestlers and the ref all tumble from the ring and spend about a minute outside. The ref is injured and is rolling around. It would have been the perfect opportunity to cut away for a quick commercial but they did not.

Oh, so there were no commercials in the first place and McAdam misconstrued it and thought his copy was a special uncut version?

Oh, so there were no commercials in the first place and McAdam misconstrued it and thought his copy was a special uncut version?

That is my initial impression. I could be wrong, but for the commercials-inserted-but-the-match-not-edited scenario to work it would have to have been a two hour broadcast. I don't think that is the case.

 

Also my own version is about 49 minutes long and I don't remember editing out commercials from it at the time, either, I just edited some early portions of the match (hits self in head) and still got 49 minutes of action.

The match I have that is on Will's Hennig comp went around 59 and change w/o commercials.

The match I have that is on Will's Hennig comp went around 59 and change w/o commercials.

Well, if Will got that from me I would guess it is the one on my Bockwinkel 3-pack. Pretty sure that the one on the 86 AWA TV show is much better quality.