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comment_5441716

1 Sgt Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (6/16/84 MSG) 11,944

2 Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage (3/29/87 Pontiac MI Wrestlemania 3) 11,575

3 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Brisco Brothers (12/28/84 MSG) 11,137

4 Bret Hart vs Randy Savage (11/11/87 Seattle WA aired SNME 11/28/87) 10,100

5 Bret Hart vs Mr Perfect (10/2/89 Wheeling WV) 9,974

6 Bob Backlund vs Adrian Adonis (1/18/82 MSG) 9,971

7 Greg Valentine vs Ron Garvin (9/30/89 MSG) 9,622

8 Glamour Girls vs Jumping Bomb Angels (11/24/87 MSG) 9,449

9 Ricky Steamboat vs Jake Roberts (8/9/86 Boston MA) 9,399

10 Sgt Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (5/21/84 MSG) 9,395

11 Ultimate Warrior vs Rick Rude (8/28/89 East Rutherford NJ Summerslam) 9,394

12 Brainbusters vs Hart Foundation (8/28/89 East Rutherford NJ Summerslam) 9,334

13 Barry Windham vs Dick Murdoch (2/16/85 Philadelphia PA) 9,215

14 Dynamite Kid vs Bret Hart (9/14/85 Landover MD) 9,044

15 British Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation (9/23/85 MSG) 9,009

16 Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat (7/27/86 Toronto Ontario) 8,986

17 Bret Hart vs Ted DiBiase (3/8/89 Odessa TX aired Prime Time 3/20/89) 8,978

18 Ricky Steamboat vs Bret Hart (3/8/86 Boston MA) 8,705

19 Ricky Steamboat vs Bob Orton Jr (7/20/85 Landover MD) 8,561

20 Hulk Hogan vs Big Bossman (3/18/89 MSG) 8,505

21 Randy Savage vs Ted DiBiase (7/22/88 MSG) 8,164

22 Bob Backlund vs Adrian Adonis (3/28/82 Landover MD) 8,129

23 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Bob Backlund/Brian Blair (7/7/84 Philadelphia PA) 8,046

24 Randy Savage vs Tito Santana (4/22/86 MSG) 8,019

25 Randy Savage/Adrian Adonis vs Tito Santana/Bruno Sammartino (7/12/86 MSG) 7,913

26 Pat Patterson vs Sgt Slaughter (5/4/81 MSG) 7,874

27 Bob Backlund vs Adrian Adonis (3/20/82 Philadelphia PA) 7,842

28 Greg Valentine vs Ricky Steamboat (6/21/85 MSG) 7,725

29 Strike Force vs Islanders (10/3/87 Boston MA) 7,707

30 Rick Rude vs Roddy Piper (12/28/89 MSG) 7,605

31 Randy Savage vs Jake Roberts (11/15/86 Los Angeles CA aired 11/29/86 SNME) 7,512

32 Rockers vs Brainbusters (10/31/89 Topeka KS aired 11/25/89 SNME) 7,497

33 Bob Backlund vs Sgt Slaughter (1/10/81 Philadelphia PA) 7,440

34 Fabulous Rougeau Bros vs Rockers (10/10/89 London England) 7,419

35 Bob Backlund vs Sgt Slaughter (3/21/81 Philadelphia PA) 7,364

36 Rougeau Bros vs Hart Foundation (9/22/86 MSG) 7,202

37 Blue Angel vs Barry Horowitz (8/13/88 Los Angeles CA) 7,051

38 Bob Backlund vs Buddy Rose (11/25/82 Philadelphia PA) 7,041

39 Mr Perfect vs Ronnie Garvin (12/12/89 Nashville TN) 6,919

40 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Sgt Slaughter/Terry Daniels (7/23/84 MSG) 6,915

41 Tito Santana vs Ron Bass (8/22/87 MSG) 6,846

42 Dream Team vs British Bulldogs (4/7/86 Rosemont IL Wrestlemania 2) 6,834

43 Sgt Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (5/19/84 Landover MD) 6,777

44 British Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation (11/1/86 Boston MA) 6,748

45 Dream Team vs Ricky Steamboat/Tito Santana (4/21/85 Toronto) 6,724

46 Mr Perfect vs Ron Garvin (3/18/89 Boston MA) 6,693

47 Rockers vs Rougeau Bros (10/13/89 Paris France) 6,625

48 Jake Roberts vs Ted DiBiase (4/24/89 MSG) 6,587

49 Ten Man Tag Survivor Series 1988 (11/24/88 Richfield OH 1988 Survivor Series) 6,225

50 Hart Foundation vs Killer Bees (2/23/87 MSG) 6,156

51 Bret Hart vs Bad News Brown (4/25/88 MSG) 6,085

52 Ricky Steamboat vs Jake Roberts (8/28/86 Toronto Big Event) 5,885

53 Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (4/2/89 Atlantic City NJ Wrestlemania 5) 5,880

54 Tito Santana vs Paul Orndorff (9/1/84 St Louis MO) 5,816

55 Ten Man Tag Survivor Series 1987 (11/26/87 Richfield OH Survivor Series 1987) 5,764

56 Ken Patera vs Pat Patterson (4/21/80 MSG) 5,685

57 Les Thornton vs Mr Wrestling II (3/2/85 Atlanta GA) 5,465

58 Bob Backlund vs Ivan Koloff (6/4/83 Philadelphia PA) 5,361

59 Rick Rude vs Tito Santana (2/11/89 Boston MA) 5,274

60 Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (1/27/86 MSG) 5,251

61 Sgt Slaughter vs Paul Orndorff (6/2/84 Philadelphia PA) 5,206

62 Hart Foundation vs Twin Towers (5/17/89 Duluth MN) 5,185

63 Tito Santana vs Bob Orton Jr (8/9/86 Boston MA) 5,039

64 Bob Backlund vs Sgt Slaughter (10/20/80 MSG) 4,920

65 Bob Backlund vs Hulk Hogan (4/8/80 Philadelphia PA) 4,907

66 Bob Backlund vs Stan Hansen (6/6/81 MSG) 4,829

67 Honky Tonk Man vs Ricky Steamboat (8/22/87 MSG) 4,723

68 Tito Santana vs Butch Reed (5/12/87 Anaheim CA aired PTW 5/12/87) 4,621

69 Bruno Sammartino vs Larry Zbyszko (4/21/80 MSG) 4,600

70 Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (2/17/86 MSG) 4,467

71 Hulk Hogan vs Iron Sheik (5/5/84 Philadelphia PA) 4,382

72 Bob Orton Jr vs Mike Rotundo (12/1/84 Philadelphia PA) 4,374

73 Hulk Hogan vs Paul Orndorff (12/14/86 Hartford CT aired 1/3/87 SNME) 4,344

74 Hulk Hogan vs Bad News Brown (2/16/89 Hersey PA aired 3/11/89 SNME) 4,076

75 Tim Horner vs Barry Horowitz (12/30/88 MSG) 4,022

76 Bruno Sammartino/Paul Orndorff vs Roddy Piper/Bob Orton Jr (10/26/85 Philadelphia PA) 3,983

77 Hulk Hogan vs Bob Orton Jr (5/12/87 Anaheim CA Superstars aired 5/23/87) 3,870

78 Don Muraco vs Jimmy Snuka (8/16/83 Philadelphia PA) 3,796

79 Iron Sheik vs Tito Santana (1/21/84 Philadelphia PA) 3,735

80 Hulk Hogan vs Paul Orndorff (7/7/84 Philadelphia PA) 3,690

81 Johnny Rodz/Jose Estrada vs Tony Garea/Steve Travis (9/18/82 Philadelphia PA) 3,503

82 Jimmy Snuka vs Roddy Piper (7/20/84 St Louis MO) 3,360

83 Bruno Sammartino vs Larry Zbyszko (4/8/80 Philadelphia PA) 3,346

84 Ted DiBiase vs Jacques Rougeau (9/16/87 Rockford IL aired Fall '87) 3,324

85 Ricky Steamboat/Junkyard Dog vs Don Muraco/Mr Fuji (8/17/85 Landover MD) 3,305

86 Brainbusters vs Young Stallions (11/6/88 Toronto) 3,295

87 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Mil Mascaras/SD Jones (6/26/84 St Louis MO aired TNT) 3,138

88 Ken Patera vs Pat Patterson (12/29/80 MSG) 2,945

89 Roddy Piper/Bob Orton Jr vs Jimmy Snuka/Tony Atlas (1/12/85 Philadelphia PA) 2,943

90 Sgt Slaughter vs Rick McGraw (6/20/81 Philadelphia PA) 2,937

91 Hulk Hogan vs Don Muraco (5/20/85 MSG) 2,773

92 Randy Savage vs Bad News Brown (1/16/89 Hamilton Ontario) 2,700

93 Don Muraco vs Pedro Morales (11/23/81 MSG) 2,601

94 Hulk Hogan vs David Shultz (6/17/84 Minneapolis MN) 2,473

95 Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase (3/12/88 Philadelphia PA) 2,276

96 Hulk Hogan vs Don Muraco (6/21/85 MSG) 2,255

97 Johnny Rodz vs Kuniaki "Chin" Kobayashi (11/25/82 Philadelphia PA) 1,892

98 Hulk Hogan vs Nikolai Volkoff (10/3/85 East Rutherford NJ aired SNME 10/5/85) 1,732

99 Randy Savage vs Tito Santana (3/16/86 MSG) 1,523

100 Andre Giant vs Killer Khan (11/14/81 Philadelphia PA) 1,114

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  • 2 years later...
comment_5511478

I don't know about keeping top 50.

 

Feels like we should have it just be set of stuff that didn't make first set.

 

The more I watch, the more I am starting to agree with this viewpoint. Forcing people to rewatch matches from the 1st set feels like an unnecessary chore. I am trying to rewatch the matches and it's a "been there-done that" feeling. I want Devon to hurry up and finish the house show discs so I can check out all of the great "discoveries" he has been posting about.

comment_5511481

There's a couple of problems with that viewpoint. I can see people maybe thinking it was a chore to re-watch all of those matches. However, this is still supposed to be the best matches from the WWF in the 1980s. This includes the very best match from that decade. Personally, I find it hard to believe that anything is going to beat Slaughter-Sheik Bootcamp from MSG on my ballot. It would feel weird and sort of wrong to have, in my opinion, the best match in that decade from the company not on the set. Now that's not to say there could be something out there that's just as good or better but I think it's really a long shot. I'll still keep my eyes open but I doubt it. Also, I don't see all 100 of those matches making this set. As Will has mentioned, I've found some pretty good "discoveries." Some of these "discoveries" are going to out weigh matches ranked lower or in the middle of the first set. I'm fairly confident that unless every match from that first set is just downright phenomenal there's only going to be about 60 or so of those matches that'll possibly make this set. Plus, there are also issues with WWF being the only company with an Errata set. That brings in discussion about left over matches from NJ and AJ. Why isn't there Errata sets from those two companies? There's too many issues to deal with if this is done. I'm confident that a brand new set with great "discoveries" and some good "old" stuff from the original set will be a perfectly acceptable 80s set.

comment_5511493

If that's the idea, people should still be able to submit a ballot that combines both sets.

This is what I was thinking. Maybe remaster the old set and include that 100 separately. For those who didn't participate the first time around, they can pick up the remastered set. Add the 2nd set of matches and rate the total of the two sets. I'll create a separate set of extras for those who want them.

 

To Dylan, the idea wasn't an errata set. It was more like WWF part 2.

 

To Exposer, my point wasn't that the 100 new nominated matches would make the set. It is that we have barely scratched the surface of what is out there and already have 100 new matches. By the time I send you tv, 24/7, more commercial releases and other rarities, AND you go through the 180 discs you haven't reviewed we may have to narrow down from 400+ matches of including the original 100.

comment_5511503

I know what you mean. I wouldn't mind getting the old set all that much. Like you said though, we've only scratched the surface. I mean we would and will almost definitely have to narrow down from the 100 in the original set. My point is, It's not likely that all of the original 100 are going to make this set anyways. This set is going to have the most nominations ever. There's probably tons of stuff out there that are great "discoveries." I did a tentative count and there's about 55 new matches that are either solid or easy nominations with most of them having more than one person saying it should be on the set. I've firmly nominated five or six from the original set. I really think after going through all of this footage we're likely to have well over 100 new nominations that are solid and easy ones at that. My guess is there will be about 35 to 40 matches from the original set that feel pretty set worthy. Now that might fall right into 150 matches. However, I think it could be more. Dare I say a 175 match set??? Mind you, we're just scratching the surface so we can't make too many assumptions. I think we need to really investigate the original 100. It may feel like a chore but what if some of those matches really don't deserve to be on this set? What if they don't match up well with all of the new finds? Will, I know it's probably simpler to just send out the old set and a new set together but I think all 100 of those original matches need to be discussed before we throw them in with the new stuff. I know the current 100 new nominated matches won't all make the set but we've just started on this road. I mentioned above that we have around 55 matches that more than one person has agreed that they could see inclusion on the set. I know it has to be majority but there's a decent chance most of those get in. I just don't feel completely comfortable passing all those 100 matches through without proper investigating. My tangent is over. That is all.

comment_5511507

I also think you should redo the entire set. I could see the point in releasing a second set of matches if there was a bunch of newly released footage, but I thought the point of a new WWF set was to correct the problems with the original set. It is a chore to sift through the original set, but the end result will be a much stronger collection of matches, IMO. There are people who like to watch these sets in chronological order and I think most people draw some context from what was on the rest of the disc, so you lose a lot by having matches spread out over two different sets. You might have a bit of Savage/Tito on one set and a bit more on the other. That doesn't strike me as ideal.

comment_5511510

Yeah I think we should do a redo as well. Tons of new folks are going to do this set, and I don't think the people who did it before are going to mind rewatching some matches. I also think this is looking like a 175 set like New Japan

That's kind of what I'm getting to here. I think a 175 set would be great because we could get all of the "new" and the best of the "old" in one big set.
comment_5511965

Will your way sounds WAY more complicated. Having two sets, and let people mix and match their ballot between the two sets? I thought most of the point of the new WWF set was so that EVERY set used the same methodology in choosing matches. If we have the power to do an update to a weak set, why not do it? The first set was majorly flawed, and we can easily improve it by doing it over from scratch. This is not replacing guns with walkie talkies. This is taking advantage of new footage and better methods.

  • 12 years later...
comment_6030613

1980
83 Bruno Sammartino vs Larry Zbyszko (4/8/80 Philadelphia PA) 3,346
65 Bob Backlund vs Hulk Hogan (4/8/80 Philadelphia PA) 4,907
56 Ken Patera vs Pat Patterson (4/21/80 MSG) 5,685
69 Bruno Sammartino vs Larry Zbyszko (4/21/80 MSG) 4,600
64 Bob Backlund vs Sgt Slaughter (10/20/80 MSG) 4,920
88 Ken Patera vs Pat Patterson (12/29/80 MSG) 2,945


1981
33 Bob Backlund vs Sgt Slaughter (1/10/81 Philadelphia PA) 7,440
35 Bob Backlund vs Sgt Slaughter (3/21/81 Philadelphia PA) 7,364
26 Pat Patterson vs Sgt Slaughter (5/4/81 MSG) 7,874
66 Bob Backlund vs Stan Hansen (6/6/81 MSG) 4,829
90 Sgt Slaughter vs Rick McGraw (6/20/81 Philadelphia PA) 2,937
100 Andre Giant vs Killer Khan (11/14/81 Philadelphia PA) 1,114
93 Don Muraco vs Pedro Morales (11/23/81 MSG) 2,601


1982
6 Bob Backlund vs Adrian Adonis (1/18/82 MSG) 9,971
27 Bob Backlund vs Adrian Adonis (3/20/82 Philadelphia PA) 7,842
22 Bob Backlund vs Adrian Adonis (3/28/82 Landover MD) 8,129
81 Johnny Rodz/Jose Estrada vs Tony Garea/Steve Travis (9/18/82 Philadelphia PA) 3,503
97 Johnny Rodz vs Kuniaki "Chin" Kobayashi (11/25/82 Philadelphia PA) 1,892
38 Bob Backlund vs Buddy Rose (11/25/82 Philadelphia PA) 7,041


1983
58 Bob Backlund vs Ivan Koloff (6/4/83 Philadelphia PA) 5,361
78 Don Muraco vs Jimmy Snuka (8/16/83 Philadelphia PA) 3,796


1984
79 Iron Sheik vs Tito Santana (1/21/84 Philadelphia PA) 3,735
71 Hulk Hogan vs Iron Sheik (5/5/84 Philadelphia PA) 4,382
43 Sgt Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (5/19/84 Landover MD) 6,777
10 Sgt Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (5/21/84 MSG) 9,395
61 Sgt Slaughter vs Paul Orndorff (6/2/84 Philadelphia PA) 5,206
1 Sgt Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (6/16/84 MSG) 11,944
94 Hulk Hogan vs David Shultz (6/17/84 Minneapolis MN) 2,473
87 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Mil Mascaras/SD Jones (6/26/84 St Louis MO aired TNT) 3,138
23 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Bob Backlund/Brian Blair (7/7/84 Philadelphia PA) 8,046
80 Hulk Hogan vs Paul Orndorff (7/7/84 Philadelphia PA) 3,690
82 Jimmy Snuka vs Roddy Piper (7/20/84 St Louis MO) 3,360
40 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Sgt Slaughter/Terry Daniels (7/23/84 MSG) 6,915
54 Tito Santana vs Paul Orndorff (9/1/84 St Louis MO) 5,816
72 Bob Orton Jr vs Mike Rotundo (12/1/84 Philadelphia PA) 4,374
3 Adrian Adonis/Dick Murdoch vs Brisco Brothers (12/28/84 MSG) 11,137


1985
89 Roddy Piper/Bob Orton Jr vs Jimmy Snuka/Tony Atlas (1/12/85 Philadelphia PA) 2,943
13 Barry Windham vs Dick Murdoch (2/16/85 Philadelphia PA) 9,215
57 Les Thornton vs Mr Wrestling II (3/2/85 Atlanta GA) 5,465
45 Dream Team vs Ricky Steamboat/Tito Santana (4/21/85 Toronto) 6,724
91 Hulk Hogan vs Don Muraco (5/20/85 MSG) 2,773
28 Greg Valentine vs Ricky Steamboat (6/21/85 MSG) 7,725
96 Hulk Hogan vs Don Muraco (6/21/85 MSG) 2,255
19 Ricky Steamboat vs Bob Orton Jr (7/20/85 Landover MD) 8,561
85 Ricky Steamboat/Junkyard Dog vs Don Muraco/Mr Fuji (8/17/85 Landover MD) 3,305
14 Dynamite Kid vs Bret Hart (9/14/85 Landover MD) 9,044
15 British Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation (9/23/85 MSG) 9,009
98 Hulk Hogan vs Nikolai Volkoff (10/3/85 East Rutherford NJ aired SNME 10/5/85) 1,732
76 Bruno Sammartino/Paul Orndorff vs Roddy Piper/Bob Orton Jr (10/26/85 Philadelphia PA) 3,983


1986
60 Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (1/27/86 MSG) 5,251
70 Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (2/17/86 MSG) 4,467
18 Ricky Steamboat vs Bret Hart (3/8/86 Boston MA) 8,705
99 Randy Savage vs Tito Santana (3/16/86 MSG) 1,523
42 Dream Team vs British Bulldogs (4/7/86 Rosemont IL Wrestlemania 2) 6,834
24 Randy Savage vs Tito Santana (4/22/86 MSG) 8,019
25 Randy Savage/Adrian Adonis vs Tito Santana/Bruno Sammartino (7/12/86 MSG) 7,913
16 Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat (7/27/86 Toronto Ontario) 8,986
63 Tito Santana vs Bob Orton Jr (8/9/86 Boston MA) 5,039
9 Ricky Steamboat vs Jake Roberts (8/9/86 Boston MA) 9,399
52 Ricky Steamboat vs Jake Roberts (8/28/86 Toronto Big Event) 5,885
36 Rougeau Bros vs Hart Foundation (9/22/86 MSG) 7,202
44 British Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation (11/1/86 Boston MA) 6,748
31 Randy Savage vs Jake Roberts (11/15/86 Los Angeles CA aired 11/29/86 SNME) 7,512
73 Hulk Hogan vs Paul Orndorff (12/14/86 Hartford CT aired 1/3/87 SNME) 4,344


1987
50 Hart Foundation vs Killer Bees (2/23/87 MSG) 6,156
2 Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage (3/29/87 Pontiac MI Wrestlemania 3) 11,575
68 Tito Santana vs Butch Reed (5/12/87 Anaheim CA aired PTW 5/12/87) 4,621
77 Hulk Hogan vs Bob Orton Jr (5/12/87 Anaheim CA Superstars aired 5/23/87) 3,870
41 Tito Santana vs Ron Bass (8/22/87 MSG) 6,846
67 Honky Tonk Man vs Ricky Steamboat (8/22/87 MSG) 4,723
84 Ted DiBiase vs Jacques Rougeau (9/16/87 Rockford IL aired Fall '87) 3,324
29 Strike Force vs Islanders (10/3/87 Boston MA) 7,707
4 Bret Hart vs Randy Savage (11/11/87 Seattle WA aired SNME 11/28/87) 10,100
8 Glamour Girls vs Jumping Bomb Angels (11/24/87 MSG) 9,449
55 Ten Man Tag Survivor Series 1987 (11/26/87 Richfield OH Survivor Series 1987) 5,764


1988
95 Hulk Hogan vs Ted DiBiase (3/12/88 Philadelphia PA) 2,276
51 Bret Hart vs Bad News Brown (4/25/88 MSG) 6,085
21 Randy Savage vs Ted DiBiase (7/22/88 MSG) 8,164
37 Blue Angel vs Barry Horowitz (8/13/88 Los Angeles CA) 7,051
86 Brainbusters vs Young Stallions (11/6/88 Toronto) 3,295
49 Ten Man Tag Survivor Series 1988 (11/24/88 Richfield OH 1988 Survivor Series) 6,225
75 Tim Horner vs Barry Horowitz (12/30/88 MSG) 4,022


1989
92 Randy Savage vs Bad News Brown (1/16/89 Hamilton Ontario) 2,700
59 Rick Rude vs Tito Santana (2/11/89 Boston MA) 5,274
74 Hulk Hogan vs Bad News Brown (2/16/89 Hersey PA aired 3/11/89 SNME) 4,076
17 Bret Hart vs Ted DiBiase (3/8/89 Odessa TX aired Prime Time 3/20/89) 8,978
46 Mr Perfect vs Ron Garvin (3/18/89 Boston MA) 6,693
20 Hulk Hogan vs Big Bossman (3/18/89 MSG) 8,505
53 Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage (4/2/89 Atlantic City NJ Wrestlemania 5) 5,880
48 Jake Roberts vs Ted DiBiase (4/24/89 MSG) 6,587
62 Hart Foundation vs Twin Towers (5/17/89 Duluth MN) 5,185
12 Brainbusters vs Hart Foundation (8/28/89 East Rutherford NJ Summerslam) 9,334
11 Ultimate Warrior vs Rick Rude (8/28/89 East Rutherford NJ Summerslam) 9,394
7 Greg Valentine vs Ron Garvin (9/30/89 MSG) 9,622
5 Bret Hart vs Mr Perfect (10/2/89 Wheeling WV) 9,974
34 Fabulous Rougeau Bros vs Rockers (10/10/89 London England) 7,419
47 Rockers vs Rougeau Bros (10/13/89 Paris France) 6,625
32 Rockers vs Brainbusters (10/31/89 Topeka KS aired 11/25/89 SNME) 7,497
39 Mr Perfect vs Ronnie Garvin (12/12/89 Nashville TN) 6,919
30 Rick Rude vs Roddy Piper (12/28/89 MSG) 7,605


 

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