November 11, 201113 yr comment_5487991 Honestly, Dave would lose whatever credibility he has in the MMA world if people knew the retarded shit he says in the pro wrestling=MMA category.
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5487996 Honestly, Dave would lose whatever credibility he has in the MMA world if people knew the retarded shit he says in the pro wrestling=MMA category. This stance has definitely become Dave's Achilles Heel as a journalist. But he apparently has an agenda of some sort, so he's going to keep on it.
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488002 So if Brock Lesnar has been a huge draw the last few years because he drew wrestling fans to watch MMA, why wasn't he able to be a huge draw by drawing wrestling fans to watch wrestling? Cause...you know...he wasn't chopped liver or anything, but I don't think anyone really looks back on Brock's actual wrestling career and sees a great drawing card. All these wrestling fans being drawn to MMA by Brock...where were they when he was actually wrestling?
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488005 So if Brock Lesnar has been a huge draw the last few years because he drew wrestling fans to watch MMA, why wasn't he able to be a huge draw by drawing wrestling fans to watch wrestling? Cause...you know...he wasn't chopped liver or anything, but I don't think anyone really looks back on Brock's actual wrestling career and sees a great drawing card. All these wrestling fans being drawn to MMA by Brock...where were they when he was actually wrestling? Tons of good points have been made about how goofy this whole deal is, but this one is probably the greatest. Wasn't Brock around during a real down time before things got better with the emergence of Cena ?
November 11, 201113 yr Author comment_5488006 The second lowest point of the past 30 years, yes. He shouldn't get blamed for that, but it just shows he didn't do much in wrestling.
November 11, 201113 yr Author comment_5488007 I'm not sure about the ratings for The Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab or the boxing match with Joey Buttafuoco, but One Night In Chyna did sell well, as did her issue of Playboy. She drew wrestling fans to porn. She has also been a star in more places than Lesnar and the company was drawing better when she was in a high-profile spot. Chyna is a surefire HOFer.
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488008 Wasn't the talking point at the time something like Brock's presence (and subsequent push to the title) was drawing more hardcore MMA fans to buy the PPV to see the fake rasslin' guy get beat by real fighters? Plus all the elitists bawww-ing over "THERE'S PRO WRESTLING IN MY UFC" makes it seem kind of unlikely a guy who didn't set the town on fire as a pro wrestling draw would suddenly get legions of wrestling fans to buy UFC PPVs. It's a wacky suggestion but maybe, just maybe mind you, Brock proved that pro wrestling heel tactics can get you over huge in MMA? I don't recall anyone else getting as much attention as he did when he talked about going home and fucking his wife while drinking a Miller. Arguing that tons of wrestling fans flocked to UFC because of Brock seems to be a way to not acknowledge UFC fans buying in to him.
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488015 I've always been sceptical at Dave's oft repeated claim that "half had never purchased a UFC event in their life" before UFC 81 Lesnar vs. Mir. I'm sure that was true for a significant percentage of viewers, but the 50% figure seemed way high, as though the show drew very well on PPV (600,000 buys), Hughes vs. Gracie, Shamrock vs. Ortiz and Liddell vs. Ortiz in 2006 all drew more, significantly more in the latter case. Though not PPV, 5.7 million viewers on Spike TV watched the short third fight between Shamrock vs. Ortiz in 2006 too, and the Ultimate Fighter before Lesnar's UFC debut had been going for six seasons, the first of which followed Raw. I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push.
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488028 I'm not sure about the ratings for The Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab or the boxing match with Joey Buttafuoco, but One Night In Chyna did sell well, as did her issue of Playboy. She drew wrestling fans to porn. She has also been a star in more places than Lesnar and the company was drawing better when she was in a high-profile spot. Chyna is a surefire HOFer. We don't need more wrestling/porn analogies.
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488050 Please don't go there. I just saw a Sasha Grey article that pissed me off... don't tempt me with wrestling-porn analogies until this passes. John
November 11, 201113 yr comment_5488052 I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push. If that's the case, I can't think of a reason why UFC would work the # then, not really something that particularly benefits them all that much.
November 12, 201113 yr Author comment_5488055 It wasn't an analogy. I was making the point that drawing wrestling fans to something that isn't pro wrestling is meaningless. Completely meaningless.
November 12, 201113 yr comment_5488067 I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push. If that's the case, I can't think of a reason why UFC would work the # then, not really something that particularly benefits them all that much. The company got a lot of flak at the time from hardcore MMA fans for bringing in such an unproven athlete best known for being a phony WWE superstar. I could see them pushing an overinflated number to get people to stop complaining about it.
November 16, 201113 yr comment_5488367 Dave and Bryan spent a segment on the 11/15 show doing a jokey wink-wink commentary on Cody Rhodes coming back from the European tour with a new physique. It was clear what they were referencing, and I guess I get the "well if the guys doing it don't care, then fuck it" philosophy, but isn't that the kind of stuff people like Dave and Bryan always chastise wrestling people for? Something about them doing "GEE, CODY MUST HAVE GOT A LOT OF GYM TIME IN EUROPE, YUK YUK YUK" seemed almost offensive considering all the hand wringing that goes on when another drug related death happens.
November 16, 201113 yr comment_5488369 I enjoyed Stan Hansen using the "made up" word Puroresu in his autobiography. John
November 17, 201113 yr comment_5488418 Dave wrote quite the thorough obit for Joe Frazier in the WON this week which kinda surprised me but only wrote a little more of a paragraph for Killer Karl Kox in the same issue.
November 18, 201113 yr comment_5488472 I thought he said the Kox one was coming in Thanksgiving issue.
November 20, 201113 yr comment_5488616 Dave has taken to stealing one of my F4W trolling memes or at least a version of it: Observer web site subscriber I dont know whether to be flattered or deeply concerned.
November 22, 201113 yr comment_5488701 I really didn't need to have the image of the Sandman as a male stripper stuck in my head. Thanks Chuck Langerman.
November 22, 201113 yr comment_5488752 So Dave said on the message board over the weekend that Chris Jericho & WWE had a major falling out and Jericho would not be coming back. Johnson & Scherer got their digs in at him today because the "It Begins" video last night was for Jericho and they heard the same falling out story over the weekend from "B-level sources" and knew it was bullshit.
November 22, 201113 yr comment_5488753 I think it's a little bit early to take the assumption that it's a video for Jericho and run with it. It could just as easily be for The Undertaker.
November 22, 201113 yr Author comment_5488754 It will be interesting to see who's right and who's wrong in this case. One or the other will end up with major egg on their face.
November 22, 201113 yr comment_5488755 So has Dave said anything after the It Begins video popped up? John
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