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comment_5487996

Honestly, Dave would lose whatever credibility he has in the MMA world if people knew the retarded shit he says in the pro wrestling=MMA category.

This stance has definitely become Dave's Achilles Heel as a journalist. But he apparently has an agenda of some sort, so he's going to keep on it.

comment_5488002

So if Brock Lesnar has been a huge draw the last few years because he drew wrestling fans to watch MMA, why wasn't he able to be a huge draw by drawing wrestling fans to watch wrestling? Cause...you know...he wasn't chopped liver or anything, but I don't think anyone really looks back on Brock's actual wrestling career and sees a great drawing card. All these wrestling fans being drawn to MMA by Brock...where were they when he was actually wrestling?

comment_5488005

So if Brock Lesnar has been a huge draw the last few years because he drew wrestling fans to watch MMA, why wasn't he able to be a huge draw by drawing wrestling fans to watch wrestling? Cause...you know...he wasn't chopped liver or anything, but I don't think anyone really looks back on Brock's actual wrestling career and sees a great drawing card. All these wrestling fans being drawn to MMA by Brock...where were they when he was actually wrestling?

Tons of good points have been made about how goofy this whole deal is, but this one is probably the greatest. Wasn't Brock around during a real down time before things got better with the emergence of Cena ?

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comment_5488007

I'm not sure about the ratings for The Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab or the boxing match with Joey Buttafuoco, but One Night In Chyna did sell well, as did her issue of Playboy. She drew wrestling fans to porn. She has also been a star in more places than Lesnar and the company was drawing better when she was in a high-profile spot. Chyna is a surefire HOFer.

comment_5488008

Wasn't the talking point at the time something like Brock's presence (and subsequent push to the title) was drawing more hardcore MMA fans to buy the PPV to see the fake rasslin' guy get beat by real fighters? Plus all the elitists bawww-ing over "THERE'S PRO WRESTLING IN MY UFC" makes it seem kind of unlikely a guy who didn't set the town on fire as a pro wrestling draw would suddenly get legions of wrestling fans to buy UFC PPVs.

 

It's a wacky suggestion but maybe, just maybe mind you, Brock proved that pro wrestling heel tactics can get you over huge in MMA? I don't recall anyone else getting as much attention as he did when he talked about going home and fucking his wife while drinking a Miller. Arguing that tons of wrestling fans flocked to UFC because of Brock seems to be a way to not acknowledge UFC fans buying in to him.

comment_5488015

I've always been sceptical at Dave's oft repeated claim that "half had never purchased a UFC event in their life" before UFC 81 Lesnar vs. Mir. I'm sure that was true for a significant percentage of viewers, but the 50% figure seemed way high, as though the show drew very well on PPV (600,000 buys), Hughes vs. Gracie, Shamrock vs. Ortiz and Liddell vs. Ortiz in 2006 all drew more, significantly more in the latter case. Though not PPV, 5.7 million viewers on Spike TV watched the short third fight between Shamrock vs. Ortiz in 2006 too, and the Ultimate Fighter before Lesnar's UFC debut had been going for six seasons, the first of which followed Raw. I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push.

comment_5488028

I'm not sure about the ratings for The Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab or the boxing match with Joey Buttafuoco, but One Night In Chyna did sell well, as did her issue of Playboy. She drew wrestling fans to porn. She has also been a star in more places than Lesnar and the company was drawing better when she was in a high-profile spot. Chyna is a surefire HOFer.

We don't need more wrestling/porn analogies.;)

comment_5488052

I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push.

If that's the case, I can't think of a reason why UFC would work the # then, not really something that particularly benefits them all that much.

comment_5488067

I know the 50% figure apparently came from market research done by UFC, but I'm not sure I'd trust what they push.

If that's the case, I can't think of a reason why UFC would work the # then, not really something that particularly benefits them all that much.

The company got a lot of flak at the time from hardcore MMA fans for bringing in such an unproven athlete best known for being a phony WWE superstar. I could see them pushing an overinflated number to get people to stop complaining about it.

comment_5488367

Dave and Bryan spent a segment on the 11/15 show doing a jokey wink-wink commentary on Cody Rhodes coming back from the European tour with a new physique. It was clear what they were referencing, and I guess I get the "well if the guys doing it don't care, then fuck it" philosophy, but isn't that the kind of stuff people like Dave and Bryan always chastise wrestling people for? Something about them doing "GEE, CODY MUST HAVE GOT A LOT OF GYM TIME IN EUROPE, YUK YUK YUK" seemed almost offensive considering all the hand wringing that goes on when another drug related death happens.

comment_5488752

So Dave said on the message board over the weekend that Chris Jericho & WWE had a major falling out and Jericho would not be coming back. Johnson & Scherer got their digs in at him today because the "It Begins" video last night was for Jericho and they heard the same falling out story over the weekend from "B-level sources" and knew it was bullshit.

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