October 12, 201410 yr comment_5632527 yea joe, i'm in the camp that says it's ridiculous to induct any active wrestlers, at least until they're at the phase of their career where they're just living off nostalgia at indie shows or such. i wouldn't be sold on tanahashi right now because i'd want to see what new japan looks like 10 years from now, considering how much his candidacy relies on the savior narrative. EDIT: i do recall yohe putting tanahashi on his ballot without watching him, and admitting it was based on meltzer's writing about him. that's the sort of thing we mean here.
October 12, 201410 yr comment_5632529 I can prove Hulk Hogan is a better draw than Abyss. Nobody can prove either is a better worker. Unless you go by the definition some wrestlers have given of a worker - whoever drew the most fans. By that standard, Hogan outworked the living hell out of Abyss (and most everyone else). The IWC definition of a worker is impossible to prove, and the Meltzer version of the term IMO values certain things that favor certain types of wrestlers and specific styles.
October 12, 201410 yr comment_5632550 I'm pretty sure it'd be pretty easy to prove Hogan was a better "worker" than Abyss.
October 12, 201410 yr comment_5632564 And i think i could explain with examples why Jerry Lawler is a great wrestler. If you can do the same, explaining why he sucks, with examples from his peak, that would be more interesting to me. Having said that, I am not interested in talking Tanahashi or Lawler with you. I have a list of ten other wrestlers I would rather discuss.
October 12, 201410 yr comment_5632566 And i think i could explain with examples why Jerry Lawler is a great wrestler. If you can do the same, explaining why he sucks, with examples from his peak, that would be more interesting to me.Why would I do that ? Oh, you're probably not talking to me. Haha
October 12, 201410 yr comment_5632569 Yeah, I just got the reply button when I saw Joe's post. Anyway, really enjoyed the audio between Meltzer and Matt Farmer. Didn't agree with some of the opinions but Idid like tthe discussion about the working differences between today and the past.
October 15, 201410 yr comment_5633502 The history pieces in today's WON were really great especially the Barnett/Australia one. Also Meltz confirmed that he will break his attending Mania rule next year.
October 16, 201410 yr comment_5633517 Also Meltz confirmed that he will break his attending Mania rule next year. I wonder if the WWE will shoot some video w/Dave for the Network since they will be out in his area for a week. I remember him saying if they asked he wouldn't be opposed to do some talking head segments if he could work it into his schedule on his podcast within the last couple of months.
October 16, 201410 yr comment_5633530 I thought he went to 12 Pretty sure he did too, but he's said he got so behind he wouldn't go again. I guess WM being almost literally in his back yard changed his mind. I think Dave is just a human shark who will die if he stands still too long.
October 16, 201410 yr comment_5633568 WWE needs to get Dave Meltzer and Bill Apter together for something on the Network.
October 16, 201410 yr comment_5633629 How many times has Dave appeared on WWE programming? I know he was a talking head on one of Foley's home videos around 1999/2000 time, I can't think of another.
October 16, 201410 yr comment_5633679 Don't remember the Foley one, that's amazing. Didn't a scan (or mockup) of an Observer show up on the Pillman DVD? If WWE gets Dave to do talking head pieces, they might edit it like on the Simpsons when Homer did that TV interview during his sexual harassment accusation.
October 17, 201410 yr comment_5633795 Don't remember the Foley one, that's amazing. Didn't a scan (or mockup) of an Observer show up on the Pillman DVD? If WWE gets Dave to do talking head pieces, they might edit it like on the Simpsons when Homer did that TV interview during his sexual harassment accusation. This was the same episode where Groundskeeper Willie was dubbed "'Rowdy' Roddy Peeper" by the tabloid show, correct?
October 17, 201410 yr comment_5633806 Don't remember the Foley one, that's amazing. Didn't a scan (or mockup) of an Observer show up on the Pillman DVD? If WWE gets Dave to do talking head pieces, they might edit it like on the Simpsons when Homer did that TV interview during his sexual harassment accusation. This was the same episode where Groundskeeper Willie was dubbed "'Rowdy' Roddy Peeper" by the tabloid show, correct? Yep, almost forgot about that.
October 17, 201410 yr comment_5633822 If anybody has an Observer subscription, listen to the Todd Martin show with Bryan, even if you don't normally. They're going through old '82 Observer's starting about half an hour in, and there's highlights like Dave's star ratings for various promotions, the top TV shows for '82, Jim Duggan being rated a better wrestler than Ted DiBiase, and somebody writing in complaining that there's too many Japanese & Mexican wrestlers on the Dave's top 150 wrestlers list (Spoiler Alert - No Backlund on the list at all! Sweet Justice for Parv!), and somebody else (I think) also complaining that Gagne & Brunzell was only ranked #75 and #81 - maybe it's Dylan writing in via time travel!
October 18, 201410 yr comment_5634090 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it. Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him.
October 18, 201410 yr comment_5634096 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it.Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him. The impression of Todd comes from people reading his Raw reviews. It is a pretty dated impression.
October 18, 201410 yr comment_5634108 I still can't forgive him for railroading the SMW Cornette podcast. I thought Cornette was going to get to talk about the entire promotion including successes and failures. Instead it was an hour of Jim defending the New Jack angle against Todd Martin.
October 18, 201410 yr comment_5634110 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it.Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him.The impression of Todd comes from people reading his Raw reviews. It is a pretty dated impression.Nah. I doubt I have even read more than one or two of them. Why would I care what anyone on that wesbsite not named Dave Meltzer thinks of Raw? It's because he comes across as a complete douche on the shows with Bryan. Like almost as unlistenable as Lance Storm.
October 19, 201410 yr comment_5634138 But it involves CAPITAL T~! Todd Martin. Not sure I can do it.Is he that bad? I find Alvarez more annoying than him.The impression of Todd comes from people reading his Raw reviews. It is a pretty dated impression.Nah. I doubt I have even read more than one or two of them. Why would I care what anyone on that wesbsite not named Dave Meltzer thinks of Raw? It's because he comes across as a complete douche on the shows with Bryan. Like almost as unlistenable as Lance Storm. Storm's a problem too? I find him enjoyable enough. A bit dry, but he usually comes up with booking suggestions to improve Raw on the fly that make sense....
October 19, 201410 yr comment_5634139 I still can't forgive him for railroading the SMW Cornette podcast. I thought Cornette was going to get to talk about the entire promotion including successes and failures. Instead it was an hour of Jim defending the New Jack angle against Todd Martin. That does sound annoying alright.
October 19, 201410 yr comment_5634141 Based on my limited experience of Martin he seems to find it impossible to enjoy anything.
October 19, 201410 yr comment_5634206 In 2012 when Todd was railing against WWE one time, I asked him how many periods during the previous 11 years he found the company well-booked. He gave me the summer of 2002 and a few Mania builds. So there were a couple of months in 11 years he really enjoyed. There are a lot of people online like that have been hate-watching for over a decade and it's exhausting talking wrestling with them,
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